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Ace e-mailed me the instant this finished airing on O'Reilly with the subject header "must record". Anti-"torture" absolutists like Sullivan adamantly deny that harsh tactics produce reliable information. It's their way of avoiding the moral dilemma presented by a ticking time-bomb scenario. But they'll have to face it now, because in four short minutes Brian Ross utterly explodes that particular article of quasi-religious faith as fantasy. but Ross's sources include people within the CIA who are opposed to the practices. Learning that Ramzi Binalshibh cried like a three-year-old girl.
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Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 20, 2006 at 9:25 PM Screw it. The RINO's in the Senate are determined to cave in to the demands of terrorists, and ILLEGALS. We have no one to blame except for ourselves for worrying more about how Ann Coulter writes a column than we do about casting a vote for a real conservative. I used to think that symbolism over substance was a liberal trait.
DannoJyd on September 20, 2006 at 9:27 PM Allah, I have to take issue with your title in which you call the CIA's interrogation techniques "torture techniques." I don't know if you saw the second season of "24'' but the very first scene of the first episode included a man who was tortured for information. He was strapped to a table, I think, and his feet were in bags of what I assumed was acid and various parts of his body where terribly beaten and bloodied. Having water poured over your face to mimick the sensation of drowning may be scary as hell, but it's not torture.
kimpriestap on September 20, 2006 at 9:39 PM It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how effective these interrogations were, or how many lives were saved. People like Andrew Sullivan and his ilk have far to much invested in this to re-asses their position. If anyone is expecting Andy to post anything that even hints that perhaps this "torture" wasn't quite that, or that "Torture never works! I just don't know the exact manner in which it will be expressed. I for one think it is high time for AP's photoshopped version of the Andrew Sullivan HeartAche Alert. EFG on September 20, 2006 at 9:39 PM Did they try asking nicely?
EFG on September 20, 2006 at 10:00 PM It is a very good thing I am not in charge of "torture". I have written better torture scenerious when just musing. I guarantee you, if we used what I would do to these guys, nothing else would have to be done and they'd be talking in less time than it would take for me to take off one square inch of skin, rub salt with hot oil in the wound.
speed647 on September 20, 2006 at 10:11 PM All this outrage over pimpslaps and pinkbellies. God forbid we should ever get rough with one of these head-chopping animals. I question Colin Powell's moral basis for his opposition to a much-needed clarification of Geneva.
Kid from Brooklyn on September 20, 2006 at 10:17 PM The best part: right then, on MSNBC, Olbermann was telling us torture doesn't work. It boggles the mind that Sully and Olbermann and others on the left would stake out this position in the face of that certainty. daveintexas on September 20, 2006 at 11:51 PM That chick from Human Rights Watch got her butt kicked and she knows it. As I was watching, I was yellin' at the TV "Well then what techniques DO we use, tickle their damn feet?" Yeah, that'll work: "Tell us where the next attack will be ... Kid, when I was in the Air Force, the pinkbelly was the harshest form of hazing ... They should line these guys up, by rank, start at with the lowest rank, pull out a gun and ask a question. All that crap about being eager to die for islam is all a bunch of BS It's only for the guilable suckers they get to act as suicide bombers. Tony737 on September 20, 2006 at 11:51 PM This country has lost it's soul. This country doesn't have a soul - remember the Establishment Clause (separation of church and state)?
That was said in sarcasm, but I have actually heard people say that we ARE no better then the terrorist, because we are not nice and give them lolypops (halel of course) for information. My answer to that is "The middle east is not glowing, your wife is not wearing a burka, and I did not just have you shot for speaking against our government, so I guesse we ARE still better then they are" Wyrd on September 21, 2006 at 9:30 AM The real truth is that "torture," properly applied, does extract information from people who have it. The Germans in WWII got everything that they wanted from the resistance people they interrogated. So did the North Vietnamese (even John McCain spilled his guts). The real question is whether we are using this as an interrogation technique against known terrorists, or simply using it to abuse prisoners. In the first case, we should do everything necessary to protect our citizens. For the record, it should be noted that none of our enemies have ever complied with the Geneva Conventions, even if they had signed them. The argument that we risk our soldiers being abused is stupid. old_dawg on September 21, 2006 at 9:35 AM I keep wanting to ask Sen McCain if he would liek to play some solitaire. The way he has been acting lately, I wonder if he hasn't been compromised. Wyrd on September 21, 2006 at 9:50 AM Torture (or "torture") can work. I've said it before, but I'll repeat: torture should be illegal, but I'd hope that someone would break the law for a "ticking time bomb" scenario.
Mark Jaquith on September 21, 2006 at 9:58 AM If waterboarding acceptable for our special forces, it is OK for terrorists and not torture. I am waiting for McCain to give captured terrorists their Second Amendment rights. McCain, like the aged Goldwater before him, has spent too much time in the Arizona sun. Valiant on September 21, 2006 at 10:24 AM Isn't there a clause in divorce formental cruelty? Torture was written about by Jack London, see The Star Rover. It's in the public domain, won't cost two cents to read, and is done by one of the best american writers. Besides, those who know say it's how often you practice. tormod on September 21, 2006 at 10:41 AM The issue being that there's often no way to tell if the person is telling the truth, lying, or lying "the truth" that you want to hear. We'll check out their story and the perp' will still be incarcerated if its a lie.
shooter on September 21, 2006 at 10:53 AM I've said it before, but I'll repeat: torture should be illegal, but I'd hope that someone would break the law for a "ticking time bomb" scenario. Mark Jaquith on September 21, 2006 at 9:58 AM How understanding of you! In the meantime, said someone who would break the law would have to correctly guess beforehand whether or not they would be right. So what will you do if they honestly believe the detainee is holding critical, time-sensitive information but fail to get any out of them? thirteen28 on September 21, 2006 at 10:55 AM Why stop there? why not cut off some digits everytime we think they lie? Look, a little chest slap, sleep deprivation, cold rooms and listening to Drowning Pool for 24 hours straight I would consider torture, but waterboarding is right there on the line for me. As I noted before we aren't only American by virtue of the fact we live here, we are American by our values as well. I find it hard to support torture regardless of what the jihadis do to our troops. Sure it makes me mad, but stooping to their level makes us no better than these animals. bentman78 on September 21, 2006 at 11:41 AM Let me rephrase, a little chest slap, sleep deprivation, cold rooms and listening to Drowning Pool for 24 hours straight I would NOT consider torture. bentman78 on September 21, 2006 at 11:43 AM For those that ask the question, "what's the difference between us and them if we torture?" We torture to gather information that will save the lives of civilians inside and outside of the US. They torture just to make the person feel pain before they murder them. I view it ...
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