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9/14 Harvard's guest to speak on toloerance defends execution as a
punishment for homosexuality. Link is from http://hotair.com (yes, I know
that's Malkin's site -- just ignore the commentary and read the quote)
http://csua.org/u/gw6
\_ Please post a link to the quote apart from the Malkin site, so's
I can continue to not support that lunatic's advertizing.
\_ Never mind. Found the following:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=514150
To wit: Iran's former President gave a speech in which he
defended some pretty crazy stuff. Scary because he was supposed
to be the liberal side of Iranian politics.
\_ He *is* the liberal side of Iranian politics.
\_ He's probably extremely liberal when we compare him to our
Saudi allies.
\_ The ruling family is SA is about as Western as it gets
outside Western nations.
\_ that is a completely false statement. While Saudi's
royal family themselves embrace many of the Western
"sins," their policy prohibits most of the things
which themselves find enjoyable. Saudi Arabia is
one of the most conservative, fundamental islamic
nation in the middle east.
\_ It is a completely true statement. You even
restated it, "While Saudi's royal family
themselves embrace many of the Western
'sins,'..." followed by how their policy for the
people is different. But, as stated, the ruling
family in SA is about as Western as it gets
outside the West. SA itself is really no
different from the bulk of the rest of the Middle
East. Please name all the fun loving Western ME
nations. Which ones don't keep their women as
third class non-citizens? Which ones have
anything resemebling a non-dictatorship? Which
ones teach their kids from science texts instead
of the Koran? They're all pretty much the same
in that sense. Oh wait, Israel is different but
that's about it.
\_ It's a completely moronic statement unless
there are only two kinds of countries in
the world: Western nations and Middle
Eastern nations. There are lots of
countries in the world that aren't part of
the West but manage not to stone adulterers
or behead thieves.
\_ Name the countries in the middle east
that aren't like SA. If there are lots
of them you should have no problem
listing several and in what ways they're
different. We'll talk about moronic
after you come up with a list.
\_ I didn't see the words "Middle East"
in that sentence.
\_ Still don't see a list. Yawn.
\_ Khatami says there is "room for debate" about
executing homosexuals. There is no room for
debate in Saudi Arabia. |
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| csua.org/u/gw6 -> hotair.com/archives/2006/09/13/harvard-sits-silent-while-khatami-defends-executing-gays/ Khatami, widely considered a reformer in Iran, was often met with applause from the Kennedy School audience... In response to another question, Khatami also justified his country's use of capital punishment for acts of homosexuality, but said that the conditions for execution are so strict that they are "virtually impossible to meet." "Homosexuality is a crime in Islam and crimes are punishable," Khatami said. "And the fact that a crime could be punished by execution is debatable." The subject of the lecture was "Ethics of Tolerance in the Age of Violence." given up on reforming the country's rape laws to make convictions possible with fewer than four witnesses. And in the Kingdom, they've outlawed the sale of puppies and kittens. Digg this Blowback Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from our readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. com - Christian news, commentary, and inspiring daily devotions Rosie O'Donnell Fighting to Preserve Terrorism Comments Gays apparently are no longer part of the left wing/terror alliance. Valiant on September 13, 2006 at 2:08 PM The Left will allow any atrocity by the animals of the world so long as they throw in "Bush Sucks" or "America is he Great Satan", to the moonbats this absolves them of all other trangression. bbz123 on September 13, 2006 at 2:17 PM You've nailed it. The "centre" is not holding and the more I look at things the more I wonder if there is not "some rough beast slouching towards Bethlehem to be born". shooter on September 13, 2006 at 2:21 PM From your link: "The prohibition on dogs may be less of a surprise, since conservative Muslims despise dogs as unclean. But the cat ban befuddled many, since Islamic tradition holds that the Prophet Muhammad loved cats -- and even let a cat drink from his ablutions water before washing himself for prayers." Apparently, even Muhammed wasn't conservative enough for the jihadis. the feminists were/are quiet with respect to the treatment of women in muslim land. Now statements of "criminal" homosexuality are met with an "approving" silence. I wonder how far the nutroots will go to stay away from touching this. If they were to come out and say that these actions by the Iranians is wrong and bad they fear that their protection against reality and morality will be sullied and they are loathe to going down that road,so they sit back and allow it to happen out of fear of losing their own little safe niche. bbz123 on September 13, 2006 at 2:54 PM And in the Kingdom, they've outlawed the sale of puppies and kittens. It sounds like the Grammaton Clerics have infiltrated the House of Saud. If they start torching people's secret caches of kitschy knick-knacks, we'll have all the proof we need! Kralizec on September 13, 2006 at 2:57 PM I'm gonna be charitable here, and assume that we're talking about the stunned silence of a group of well-meaning folks where were just shocked to find out that what the right has been saying all along is true. They are even as we speak reavaluating long-held beliefs in a spirit of fairness and accuracy. Bob's Kid on September 13, 2006 at 3:01 PM Wow, amazing... they all apparently beat homosexuals in the streets when they march. Well that might only be because of Compassionate Conservatives. Did he bash women and say they are no good at the subject of Mathematics? ar_basin on September 13, 2006 at 3:02 PM Wonder if Queers for Palestine were in the crowd Defector01 on September 13, 2006 at 3:05 PM Ahhh, an allusion to "Equilibrium". most often used by the left to describe, what they consider, to be the eventual outcome of the "Bush theocracy". When faced with exactly the sort of behavior they project on the right, their response is silence. MCPO Airdale on September 13, 2006 at 3:19 PM Gays apparently are no longer part of the left wing/terror alliance. Valiant on September 13, 2006 at 2:08 PM If you're talking about the gay rights movement left wingers you're wrong. They're more affraid of losing their ability to make out in public than they are being hanged apparently. One Angry Christian on September 13, 2006 at 3:20 PM Now, if they were to play some Red Hot Chili Peppers before the execution, I'm sure the outrage at Harvard would be deafening, rather than silent. burned the Iranian and North Korean flags in front of Arlington Hall in protest of the political regimes of both nations. "I don't want to be labeled as a racist or bigot," Kennedy said. Passersby offered comments both for and against Kennedy's statements. Some students also held signs reading "Do not give them attention" and "Turn your backs" in opposition to the protest. Philosophy freshman Chris Atwood, in response to the burning, shredded and spat on the Texas flag after the rally. Atwood said that while he supports Kennedy's right, he acted in counterprotest to the issue at hand. Biology senior Felicia Kasra, who was born in Iran, said the burning of the flags was an inefficient way for the protesters to get their message across. "It shows that they were ignorant in their ways of making their points," she said. "I personally felt victimized, because I was born in Iran, and the flag represents the people." "If they had done more research, they'd understand this is stupid," she said. They were largely silent on Eddie Murphy, whose early concerts included some hilarious parodies of homos. Only when they were successfully able to get enough gays working at Paramount were they able to effect his "bottom line" and he recanted. That and his penchant for guys wearing dresses on Santa Monica Blvd at 3am! MIKE TYSON used some of the most egregious, vile and hysterical language to disparage those he thought were gay at press conferences, "Come up here you nasty faggot, I'll fuck you till you love me!" But like the pantywaists they are, liberals were afraid to take on either Don King (Tyson's promoter) or Tyson himself because both of them would have told the silly fags to go circle jerk each other. Here they sit trembling in fear, urine staining their underwear, as they sit in front of someone who has actually KILLED SODOMITES! They're all little nothings that got their lunch money taken as kids, they wouldn't fight for themselves then and they won't now. You think Maher and the rest of these liberals who've been floating the trial balloon of "why don't we just convert to Islam" are kidding? These cowardly punk asses have been so "bent over" by their continued advocation of Sodomy that they are about as good in a fight as tits on a bull. So weak and spineless are they that they even seek to change the meaning of, RUNNING AWAY IN MIND NUMBING TERROR WHILE DEFECATING IN THEIR YELLOW LIBERAL PANTS. Soothsayer on September 12, 2006 at 4:51 PM Soothsayer on September 13, 2006 at 3:54 PM Given the grade inflation at HU, I'm not surprised the morons couldn't comprehend what was being said. They were all wrapped up in the novelty of seeing one of those colorful third world natives in their own auditorium. Iblis on September 13, 2006 at 6:00 PM Martin Niemoeller "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." labwrs on September 13, 2006 at 6:09 PM labwrs, thank you for such a sobering contribution! Maybe, just maybe he might get a little light shine on the subject of: Islam=dead gays. sharinlite on September 13, 2006 at 7:32 PM Wasn't it nice of the liberals to give Khatami a platform to use in defending the execution of gays? I personally think that there were too many in that crowd worried about losing their heads. complains about people bringing in their dogs before Ramadan for euthanesia to purify the home, including a dog brought in for euthanizing with its legs wrapped in plastic so it would not defile. We put panties on their heads and we're just as bad as Hussein who put t... |
| www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=514150 View/Post Comments No Harvard guest speaker in recent memory has been the cause of as much controversy as former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami. Khatami, who was president of the Islamic Republic of Iran from 1997 until his resignation just over a year ago, spoke to a packed audience at the Kennedy School of Government (KSG) yesterday. Though there was no shortage of objections to Khatami's presence from both sides of the political spectrum, the invitation extended to him was at once appropriate and timely. The policies of Khatami's administration were reprehensible, and Iran remains home to some of the most egregious human rights violations in the world. His invitation to speak did not excuse this nor did it endorse his twisted worldview. Instead, his invitation merely acknowledged that he has, for better or worse, profoundly shaped current events. Political differences should not determine who speaks to a university. Those decisions ought to be made with regard to what contribution a speaker stands to make to the intellectual community. With Iran dominating front pages around the world because of its deadly dance with the United Nations and nuclear arms, Khatami surely stood ready to make such a contribution to Harvard. Khatami's speech was itself an unexceptional mix of demagoguery and diplomacy, but what made yesterday's event remarkable was the audience response to his presence. Some applauded when he was asked a tough question about Iran's alleged financial support of the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah. Others were equally enthusiastic as Khatami towed the Iranian party line in soft-spoken Persian. Outside the KSG, a small crowd of protesters greeted queued-up ticket holders with placards. Hawkish demonstrators waved signs that urged the US government to "Bomb Iran Before They Nuke Us," while the doves standing beside them were just as passionate in their sentiments: "Stand With Iranian Student, Stand Against War," their banners read. In other words, Khatami's visit to Harvard accomplished exactly what speaker events at the John F Kennedy Jr. Forum are meant to--his presence provoked widespread interest in an important issue of foreign policy and sparked a discussion, both inside the venue and across the country, about Iran, its policies, and America's relationship with it. The United States is a country exceedingly proud of its liberties, and freedom of expression ranks highly among the rights that Americans hold most dear. A ramification of our liberties, however, is the sometimes difficult reality that we are obligated to give a fair hearing to those with whom we strongly disagree. Khatami articulated the views of one of our country's sworn enemies--a member of the "axis of evil"--and he was allowed to do so because the US, unlike Iran, is a country whose commitment to political freedoms is strong enough to permit opposition to its government's policies. As an academic institution, Harvard ought to keep its place at the forefront of intellectual discourse by bringing to Cambridge speakers who revile us, even as they challenge us. The University lived up to this part of this mission when, in 1959, it invited Fidel Castro, then newly installed as Cuba's premier, to speak to a crowd of 6,000 at the Dillon Field House. It did so again by bringing Mohammed Khatami here yesterday. Post a comment RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum watched the speech and question and answer period on CSPAN - even though it's early, I'm shocked to find no comment so far on the web, or the Crimson website, related to Khatami's horrid reply to the question about Iran's treatment of homosexuals. I disagree with Harvard's decision to host Khatami in the first place, but to still applaud him after he made the comments (as the audience and faculty hosts did) was a sad commentary on the audience, the school, and the fate of gay men and lesbians in Iran. Because he stands up to the world's worst oppressor: Israel? The country that all in the Western media are too cowardly to criticize? The United Nations is being pushed by the US to sanction a country that has followed the NPT treaty to a tee. The latest IAEA report said there was no evidence of a covert nuclear weapons program. I guess you have to go ahead and create dozens of nuclear warheads, while violating dozens of UN Security Council resolution with respect to the human rights of Palestinians, to be above criticism by spineless western journalist. Why don't you get down on your knees, I see an Israeli politician coming your way. I just want to point out you're a coward for overlooking Israel's human rights violations. Posted by Amin | 9/11/2006 2:58:43 AM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum I'd like to ask whether the board feels that there are any world leaders unworthy of an invitation to speak. Posted by Bild | 9/11/2006 8:11:39 AM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum I applaud Khatami's visit to Harvard. Though praising the virtues of love, peace, and tolerance during his stump speech and most of the questions, only near the end of his talk did we learn that Mr Khatami's vision of love, peace, and tolerance includes approving Hizbollah's terrorist actions and executing gays. We have seen evil, and he has spoken in our halls, in the guise of a "moderate," "reformist" leader. We must know who we are up against in the war against terror. Posted by Elliott Marc Davis | 9/11/2006 8:57:25 AM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum I'm sorry, but justifying the killing of two people because of their sexual orientation represents a tad more than "political differences." Posted by Ridiculous | 9/11/2006 9:57:24 AM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum This man is an expert deciever. We need friends in Iran, but I doubt Khatami can be trusted. Posted by Wage Peace | 9/11/2006 11:23:53 AM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum What people in the US don't understand, is that Iran is a third world nation with millions of uneducated (by our standards) religious people in its towns and cities. A country like that can only be controlled by a primitive idealogy that punishes homosexuals, looks down on promiscuosity, etc etc. If one wants liberty and democracy to spread, one must look at the people who will move the country in the right direction, not put our first world, post-industrial standards to them, and say "ahah! Iran is maybe where the US was 90 years ago and people are putting 2006 US standards to it. You can't expect Iran to make such a huge leap in 5 or even 10 years. Iran's population is simply not ready for American values circa 2006. To work against a progressive leader like Khatami, and call him a 'terrorist' and all sorts of other nonsense, is to work against the progression of Iran and its eventual evolution into a society that by our standards would be called liberal. Women who are accussed of adultery are buried in a stadium to the neck and stoned. The person you received and applauded presided over these slaughters. Posted by Chairman Mao | 9/11/2006 3:59:25 PM RE: Khatami Deserved a Forum Khatami has been granted a Forum at Harvard to legitimize murder of six million Jews and millions of Muslim homosexuals by virtue of Westrn freedom of expression, which our fathers shed their blood to defend. The same freedom that Khatami's ideology of totalitarian hate is sworn to destroy. The same freedom that is systematically denied by the mullahs to their own citizens, let alone foreign politicians. Harvard faculty has indeed implicitely endorsed Khatami's agenda, as it has in other ways for years. If we are so intellectually honest, why not provide a forum to KKK? PC agenda is to win short-term temporary peace by appeasement of fasicsts and enabling mass murder, only to fight the same fascists tomorow. Ahmadinejad has suggested 6 million Jews were not murdered, he has not suggested that the murder of 6 million Jews is legitimite. Khatami has said there was a holocaust so I don't even know why Mr Loev is bringing up Mr Ahmadinejad's statements into this. This is extremely defamatory and baseless, a common characteristic of Israeli propaganda. Why is Mr Loev not concerned about the US trading with China, which has killed millions of dissidents? Ma... |
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