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9/5 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1696014/posts http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?153297 Pakistan signs peace agreement with pro-Taliban tribes in N Waziristan, with prisoner release and abandonment of some Pakistani security posts; Osama bin Laden not to be taken into custody as long as he does not disturb the local peace. \_ err... this is not news. It is well known that Pakistan authorities had a truce with pro-taliban tribes. \_ well known? the freepers sure seem surprised, and I haven't seen it on Page 1's, especially the part about Osama. \_ Also, did anyone tell George? 'Cos he just put Osama at the top of the list again.... \_ someone told the Pakistani army spokesman who first mentioned letting Osama go to completely disavow his earlier statement earlier statement. Actually, I take that back, Brian Ross misreported, see below: \_ http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/pakistan_denies.html The ABC News Brian Ross blog yesterday distorted what the Pakistani general had said. To its lame credit, the blog today posts the exact quote: "One has to stay like a peaceful citizen and not allowed to participate in any kind of terrorist activity." Also, it is true that the same spokesman today said that HVTs like Osama will be pursued regardless of their current behavior. -op |
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| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1696014/posts WestVirginiaRebel Osama bin Laden, America's most wanted man, will not face capture in Pakistan if he agrees to lead a "peaceful life," Pakistani officials tell ABC News. The surprising announcement comes as Pakistani army officials announced they were pulling their troops out of the North Waziristan region as part of a "peace deal" with the Taliban. View Replies To: Old Grumpy I've always suspected the Pakistanis were never going to "find" him. Now get the hell out of the way Pak and we will get the job done. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel Pakistan has been riding the fence since the beginning of this whole thing. What happens when Musharraf is out of power and one of the islamofascists takes over? View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel "Bin Laden Gets a Pass from Pakistan" I am sure that makes sense in the mostly illiterate barbaric backwards craphole of Pakistan, but out here in the real world that don't mean sh*t. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel My initial opinion is that this is smoke and mirrors. it has been a long trip, you are all dirty, please take off you clothes and enter the showers." View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel Bin Laden has declared war on the civilized world, so I would think he is excluded from the deal. In any case, if Pakistan tries to use this to protect terrorist within, then they will be on the list IMO for better Democratization. cfm Pakistan Signs Peace Treaty With Pro-Taleban Militants By Benjamin Sand Islamabad 05 September 2006 Pakistan has signed a landmark peace agreement with pro-Taleban militants near the Afghan border. The deal aims to end several years of often intense fighting inside Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal area. Senior military commanders and local militant leaders exchanged hugs and congratulations after signing the agreement in Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal area. The peace deal aims to end a long running conflict between government security forces and tribal groups inside the volatile region near the Afghan border. Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao told reporters in the capital, Islamabad, that the process was initiated some time ago by Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf. He says that as a result of lengthy negotiations a ceasefire has been implemented in North Waziristan. He says the ultimate goal of the agreement is a lasting peace in the region. Under the new accord, tribal leaders have agreed to expel foreign extremists in the area and help end cross-border attacks. In exchange, the government has released more than 100 prisoners from the tribal areas and will end most of its security operations in the area. President Musharraf has repeatedly promised to dislodge local and foreign extremists active in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal areas. Many Taleban and al-Qaida extremists escaped to Waziristan after a US-led coalition invaded Afghanistan in 2001. Pakistan subsequently deployed thousands of soldiers to the area in a long and bloody campaign to regulate the border and defeat local militants. But security experts say Afghan insurgents and remnants of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network have managed to established several bases in the region. The Afghan government has complained to Pakistan that militants are staging cross-border raids from these bases, a charge Pakistan denies. Mr Musharraf is to fly to Afghanistan on Wednesday to discuss regional security issues. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel Is this like the no-doubt deal after this election with amnesty for the illegals? And why shouldn't these pols just vote for in anmesty & get their pockets lined? You all will vote these same jerks back in the next election. View Replies To: Leo Farnsworth My initial opinion is that this is smoke and mirrors. You leave out two very crucial factors: One, Pakistan's leadership cannot afford to continue a drawn-out low-profile fight, as the Taliban has been waging over the past half decade or so, with US and eventually NATO troops dropping in numbers. Our declining interest in Afghanistan and our desire to get out of there as quickly as we can has been apparent for well over a year. Pakistan can't go it alone - they don't have the troops to patrol their border regions. The second thing - we haven't been totally comitted to OBL for some time now - Saddam became a higher priority target than OBL - if he wasn't, we would have committed more assets to Afghanistan, and blanketed the place, and the Pakistanis would have felt secure enough to be a lot more active. It's pretty easy to be active when you have the backing of the US military - when that goes away, it's not so easy. If you or I were running Pakistan, we'd make the same call - self preservation, whether it's of your life, or of your power, is a very strong instinct. View Replies To: Old Grumpy >I've always suspected the Pakistanis were never going to "find" him. It is well known the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, were supporters of Al-Qaeda prior to 9/11. It has long been rumored the ISI has been in communication with Bin Laden has his close associates for quite some time. This may a reason we've not gotten close to Bin Laden since Tora Bora. As I've said before, Pakistan is essentially a terrorist state. We would make greater progress in that region if not for Pakistan. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel For anyone who didn't get the memo, Bin Laden has been living the good life with satellite tv in Karachi, the most evil place on earth, along with any other filthy terrorist murderer who wants to live a peaceful life under the auspices of our true ally. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel Pakistan was never a true allies with us and that became obvious when we tried to get Zawahiri in Pakistan but Musharraf went all crazy about it. If President Bush finds out where Binny is in Pakistan he will target him regardless of the uproar. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel If we ever nab Bin Laden in Pakistan, we would be wise to drag him to Afghanistan before announcing it. Musharraf is the only thing standing between his country's nukes and the radical screwballs who would launch them if they had the chance. If Bin Laden were to be captured in Pakistan and it to become public knowledge, the backlash against Musharraf might finally be his hide. com/ He's claiming that Pakistan essentially surrendered to the Taliban/Al Queda, paid them tribute, and surrendered an area the size of new Jersey to them, forming the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan. View Replies To: WestVirginiaRebel Only Pakistan has agreed to allow him to live in Peace in Pakistan - "if he behaves".. Rest assured, we will kill the sonuvabitch as soon as we learn of his location -- REGARDLESS of where that is.... If not - then this whole "War against Terror" is a horrible hoax - and the fighting should pass to our "civilians" to carry it through to its logical conclusion. View Replies To: EvilOverlord It doesn't look good but thankfully we have a President committed to defeating them and I would bet that he wouldn't hesitate to hit inside Pakistan if he knew where Bin Laden was. Eyewitnesses said that long columns of troops were seen heading towards the main fort of Tochi Scouts in the town. However, paramilitary troops continue to man these four check-posts. Sources said that the troops were withdrawn from four checkpoints situated on the Miran Shah-Ghulam Khan Road, Dirdani, Serbandki and another small check-post near an abandoned match factory. Troops have also vacated the main telephone exchange and office of the Work and Services Department in the town. The army is still present at the main check-posts, including those at Boya and Khajori, in the agency. The members of the inter-tribal jirga who brokered the peace deal had left for Peshawar, in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province on Sunday to report on the developments to the provincial governor. Officials said that draft of the agreement between the tribal militants and the government had been finalised. last Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All ... |
| www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?153297 WANA Operation PESHAWAR: The historic agreement between the Government and tribesmen of North Waziristan Agency was signed Tuesday, at a simple but impressive ceremony held at Miranshah, the headquarters of North Waziristan Agency. According to DG Media Civil Secretariat FATA Shahzaman Khan, the two parties have expressed their firm resolve to abide by all the conditions laid down in the agreement for establishment of an enduring peace in the tribal areas, particularly in North Waziristan Agency. This agreement has been the out come of the efforts of the forty-five members grand tribal jirga that was launched on July 20 last. However the prime role in reaching this agreement has been played by the NWFP Governor Lt. Gen Ali Muhammad Jan Aurakzai, who started efforts for peace immediately after taking over office of the Governor on May 24 this year. It was the result of his untiring and sincere efforts that the local religious elders announced a unilateral ceasefire on June 25 that paved way for peace negotiations in North Waziristan. According to this historic agreement the Utmanzai tribe of North Waziristan Agency have committed that Personnel of army and law enforcing agencies and state properties will not be attacked; no parallel administration will be established in the area; no cross border movement to Afghanistan for militant activities will be carried out and no ingress in settled areas adjacent to North Waziristan Agency will take place. Similarly they have resolved that all foreigners in North Waziristan will leave Pakistan, albeit those who are unable to do so for certain genuine reasons shall respect law of the land and abide by all conditions of the agreement. They shall not disturb the peace and tranquility of the area. From the government side it was agreed that those arrested during the operation would be released. In fact most of these people have already been released and their privileges and benefits would be restored; new check posts on the roads will be dispensed with and all the old check posts will be manned by Khasadars and Levies. The government will resolve all disputes in accordance with tribal customs and traditions. Compensation will be given to the innocent tribesmen who lost their lives and properties during the recent unrest/ operation. As per the agreement a ten-member committee comprising local elders, members of political administration and Ulemas has been formed to monitor progress on the agreement and to ensure its implementation. Ali Muhammad Jan Aurakzai while lauding the efforts of the jirga members has welcomed the peace agreement, saying that it was almost unprecedented in tribal history that such a complicated issue has been amicably resolved within a few weeks period, keeping within the tribal traditions and customs. "I am indebted to all members of the jirga for their untiring and selfless efforts", he added. The Governor said that with the increased development budget coupled with the reforms at the FATA secretariat level, the development pace in hitherto restive Waziristan would be increased tremendously. "The worst affected areas would receive major share in the development funds", he added. He said that tribals have proved to the world that they are peace loving, progressive and democratic people and that they uphold the principles of justice and fair play. The image of tribesmen painted by the international media that they have negative thinking has been proved wrong with signing of this agreement. |
| blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/pakistan_denies.html Ht2_pakistan02_060524_nr_1 The government of Pakistan today denied it would allow Osama bin Laden to avoid capture under terms of a peace agreement it signed with Taliban leaders in the country's North Waziristan area. "If he is in Pakistan, today or any time later, he will be taken into custody and brought to justice," the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Mahmud Ali Durrani, said in a statement. The ambassador said a Pakistani military spokesman, Major General Shaukat Sultan, had been "grossly misquoted" when he told ABC News Tuesday that bin Laden would not be taken into custody "as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen." The comments were recorded in a telephone interview with ABC News. Q ABC News: If bin Laden or Zawahiri were there, they could stay? Sultan: No, as long as one is staying like a peaceful citizen, one would not be taken into custody. One has to stay like a peaceful citizen and not allowed to participate in any kind of terrorist activity. General Sultan said today it was "hair splitting" to speculate whether troops would be sent in if bin Laden was found in North Waziristan. "If someone is found there, we will see what is to be done," General Sultan said today. "Pakistan is committed to the war on terror, and of course we will go after any terrorist found to be operating here," he said. Under the terms of the peace agreement, the Pakistani Army promised to cease action in the area and to return captured Taliban weapons and soldiers. Former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant, said "What this means is that the Taliban and al Queida leadership have effectively carved out a sanctuary inside Pakistan." General Sultan said today he "rejected" the idea that Pakistan had created a safe haven for terrorists. User Comments (29) User Comments A perfect example of why we cannot appease any of these islamic countries. We should make the entire middle east a parking lot before they do it to us. Pat | Sep 6, 2006 8:58:14 AM This is a typical attitude of the dictatorial Pakistan regime. They decide to support the "terror plotters", then back out on their own word due to mounting pressure from the West (if there was any)! Freakaloin | Sep 6, 2006 10:25:48 AM The US should immediately cut off all financial assistance to Pakistan in response to this deal with the Taliban. While the possibility of one of the Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the Taliban seems more likely than ever, it would be wise policy to corner Musharraf by pulling away our own financial support. Essentially, this would isolate his government and make him even more accessible to Taliban threats, a reality that I feel would likely lead him back to providing greater support to the War on Terrorism. Pakistan has been playing games with the US for the last several years--handing over number 3, 4 and 5 al-Qaeda members but never anyone greater. This has largely been tactical and I believe the government does know where bin Laden and al-Zawahiri reside, as Musharraf has even said that the capturing of bin Laden would ultimately jeapordize his own central government from a public revolt. Making deals with the Taliban is unacceptable to US interests, especially considering the territory that these terrorists will now have a free reign over: the area that borders Afghanistan. We will likely see a regrouping of the Taliban and expanded attacks against coalition forces in the upcoming year, and this will all fall on the responsibility of Pakistan's peace accord. It is time for Middle Eastern governments to establish central authority over their people. The US had to do assume this risk during the Whiskey Rebellion under Washington in 1794; it is time these weak and cowardly governments do the same. Nations must shed their own blood for the greater good of their society and the world, and making peace deals with the Taliban is a major step away from this truth. Jodi | Sep 6, 2006 10:36:49 AM I cover US Department of State press briefings. This entire episode that Brian Ross has investigated is at the heart of this difficulty. You have for instance the city of Karachi, a hot-bed of insurgency, terrorist activity. Remember, this is where the extremist mind placed the Madrass Schools. I have interviewed the former Pakistani US Ambassador... However, this notion that if Osama bin Laden does not cause trouble... Why a Peace Deal with the Taliban and letting them cause more havoc in Afghanistan. Does Pakistan really have AQ Kahn under house arrest?.... When you have rogue actors causing world trouble you don't give up the hunt! Osama bin Laden and others have received too much publicity... it is time for the Muslim community to call and create his downfall ... North Korea, China, Russia, Syria, Iran are tough customers. stevesh | Sep 6, 2006 10:45:32 AM Why are you guys at ABC News relying on Richard Clarke for anything? You should have learned a long time ago that he is not to be believed. Art | Sep 6, 2006 10:55:22 AM If an Pakistan has ceeded a region of its sovereignty to the Taliban, how is it that we are winning the war on terror? If the flaws in our intelligence gatering activities have been rectified, then how is it that Bin Laden is still free? If the US is the greatest nation in the history of humanity, how is one man embarrassing us? We as Americans deserve, and should demand, answers to questions such as these. Shame on all of the political officials, whether through blind obedience or silent acquiescence, who have allowed such shame to fall on the country that I, and generations of my family, have fought to defend. Chadd | Sep 6, 2006 11:15:19 AM General Sultan was not against Bin Laden and his terrorists before he was for the terrorists who were peaceful citizens. "-- of course we will go after any terrorist found to be operating here," he said, but it is "hair splitting" to speculate whether troops would be sent in." General Sultan should come to the USA and run for Congress. Ray McDaniel | Sep 6, 2006 11:19:40 AM see the phone ross is holding? Why isn't he in Pakistan right now instead of sitting in a chair getting make-up put on for his next big breaking "news" report. Give me a break with ABC, they're all a bunch of Bushnik hacks. Howler | Sep 6, 2006 12:28:51 PM This administration would screw up a 2-car funeral. If it had focused on getting Bin Laden to begin with instead of trying to bring the blessings of democracy to Iraq, this would all be a non-issue. They've now reached the point of calling me and anyone else who disagrees with them Nazis. Bob Burns | Sep 6, 2006 12:38:12 PM The Paki's are our fair weather friends. However, they do face tremendous pressure at home from religious fanatics. If we really need to rely on a country that is held captive by islamic zealots to apprehend Bin Laden, then we are in serious trouble. Bin Laden is probably sipping espresso at a french bistro in Paris. greg | Sep 6, 2006 12:57:59 PM It is very important to understand the politics and current situation of the region before relying on who said what according to the American media. The fact is 80% of Afghanistan is still ruled by Taliban as we speak. The truth is that we dont want to capture or kill Osama bin Landen ourselevs who continue to roam freely in the Taliban controlled areas. Special FBI and CIA operatives continue to work with the Pakistani army in Pakistan to provide intelligence and survalliance on the terrorist network itself since 911? Tom Myers | Sep 6, 2006 1:02:22 PM Pakistan is an "ally" in the War on Terror and they need to start acting like it. They have taken our money and support and still have done little or nothing to help us capture or kill bin Laden or Al-Zarwarihi. President Bush needs to tell Musharaff that either he can get these people under control or he can expect more of what happened when one of our Predator drones fired missiles into a Pakistani village. We should continue such strikes and send our special forces into Pakistan and eliminate Al-Qadea because it has become clear the Pakistan is either too afraid or unwilling to do so. We can't wait around for other na... |