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2006/9/5-7 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:44275 Activity:low
9/5     Republicans decide to lose the Nov elections
        http://csua.org/u/gu3
        \_ good ... bad ... I'm the guy with the gun^H^H^Hvoting equipment
           corporations.
           \_ when the consequences of Dubya losing control is a mushroom cloud
              over one or several major American cities, can you let the good
              but misguided masses decide the future?
              \_ As a former R and conservative I, I think we're not going to
                 take the whole thing seriously until there is a mushroom cloud
                 over a city.  And I hope if the D's take control they impeach
                 Bush for his refusal to defend our borders. -emarkp
                 \_ Regardless of your party affiliation, do you still
                    believe the Iraq War is a good thing?
                 \_ Honestly, had you been surrounded by conservatives who
                    still worship Bush, would you switch? Probably not. My
                    point is you switched mostly because the people around
                    you disagree with you, and you're sick and tired of
                    defending yourself, right?
                 \_ Why are you a former R and conservative?  I can see leaving
                    the party if you feel the party has left you.  I don't see
                    why you'd be a former conservative unless you've undergone
                    a shift in personal philosophy which doesn't seem to match
                    your last statement about defending our borders.
                    \_ I think you're parsing his post wrong.
                       \_ Maybe so.  I re-read it a few times and still don't
                          see another reading.  Help me out.
                          \_ I think he's a former Republican, and a
                             conservative (still).  In fact, I believe
                             he left the Republican party because they
                             weren't controlling immigration well enough.
                          \_ conservative I = conservative Independent
                 \_ So if they impeach Bush for breaking the law, will you see
                    that as a happy compromise?
                    \_ Hi troll!
                       \_ I do not think it means what you think it means.
                    \_ A happy compromise with what? Rs losing the election?
                       Mushroom cloud over a US city?
               \_ All of this Republicans == making country safer rhetoric
                  would be great if it actually coincided at all with, you know,
                  their actions.
                  would be great if it actually coincided at all with, you
                  know, their actions.
                  \_ Do you think nothing has happened inside the US borders
                     since 9/11 because of a) luck, b) lack of effort or
                     preparation on the part of terrorists, or c) various
                     government agencies successfully keeping citizens safe?
                     \_ a), combined with shift in Al Queda strategy.
                        \_ I don't believe this.  I think it's all three, but
                           I think the Dems can maintain status quo on (c) and
                           do a better job on Iraq, winning the war on terror,
                           and not fucking up the economy.
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