9/1 The UN finds the perfect force to prevent Hezbollah from rearming!
Syria (not kidding)
http://tinyurl.com/gskah (cnn.com)
\_ Israel has made one stragetic mistake after another. One of the
biggest mistake is impose air and see embargo against Lebanon
even cease fire has taken effect. By doing so, Lebanon's only
route to the outside world is via Syria. UN has previously express
"concern" that weapons will flow to the Hezbollah and some even
propose having an international force patrol the border. Syria
threatening to close off the border complely if UN decided to do so,
which will spark humantarian crisis among Lebanonese civilians.
UN right now have no choice but allow Syrian do whatever they want
to keep the border open.
\_ 1) So in order to keep weapons from flowing back in to rearm
Hezbollah, your best answer is to completely open all the
borders so they can be rearmed via land, air or sea instead of
just the Syrian border? 2) The UN has never had any choice in
just the Syrian border?
\_ No, I am saying that a better alternative is to open air and
sea, but have an UN mandated patrol along with Syria border.
If Syria decide to seal the border, than, we can actually
say "go ahead."
\_ Exactly. So with open sea and air, weapons can fly and
float right in directly from Iran or anywhere else in the
world. What a brilliant idea. That way there is no real
pressure on the Syrians to keep weapons from flooding in
via their border so they can claim they adhered to the
UN border mandate, we can all feel really good about a
diplomatic success, Hezbollah can rearm really fast, so
they can get back to what they do best: killing civilians
by firing rockets over a settled border with a nation that
isn't occupying any Lebanese land in order to 'resist'
the continuing non-occupation of Lebanese land. Truly
brilliant. There's a place in the State Department for
people with ideas like that.
\_ 1. flying air and transfer by sea is more difficult than
truck loads of AK47s and rockets. 2. airport and harbors
are in the full control of Lebanonese government, which
is a better party to deal with. Would these measure
stop the flow of weapons? no. would it slow it down and
make the logistics more expensive for Hezbollah? i
would say yes. The purpose is making rearming Hezbollah
difficult. If this means make Syria looked good at the
same time, so be it.
\_ No, the purpose is to prevent Hezbollah from ever
rearming. I have no idea where you came up with
the idea that shipping by truck is somehow more
efficient than shipping by... ship. And by air
is certainly faster if speed is important. As
far as dealing with the Lebanese government being
a better party to deal with... better than what?
Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government and
also separate and stronger than the Lebanese
government in the ways that count. You're just
making up random stuff and really have no idea
what you're talking about. Ending the blockade
will not somehow magically make it harder to bring
in a zillion tons of weapons to Hezbollah at a
critical time in the region.
\_ I am more realistic, you want all-or-nothing
which won't get you anywhere. Airport and
harbor are a much easier to control than a
complete open-border. If you are talking about
smuggling, then, it's a different story.
You can't stop Smuggling. you can only manage it.
\_ That isn't realism. That's fatalism. "It is
hard so let's pretend to do something useful
elsewhere and ignore the elephant walking
across the border". There is no benefit at all
to Israel to end the blockade. There is a big
short term minus to the Lebanese to have a
strict blockade and a big long term plus if it
means their weak and ineffective government
will finally be out of excuses and be forced to
take control of their own territory from
Hezbollah which can then lead to peace, trade,
and normalized relations with Israel which is
good for everyone, except Hezbollah, Syria,
and Iran.
2) The UN has never had any choice in
anything anywhere in the world. The UN is powerless and exists
at the whim of the member nations. It has an extremely poor
track record of enforcement. Why? Because enFORCEment requires
at least the implied threat of FORCE which is impossible for the
UN as a dependent body. The UN does not exist to make anything
happen. It exists as a place where the countries of the world
can air their grievances in the _hope_ that a diplomatic
solution can be formed. 3) It is long past time for the locals
to kick the foreign funded Hezbollah to the curb and retake
their country but the government of Lebanon isn't interested in
their own people's well being.
\_ The government of Lebanon is trying to avoid another civil
war which no one but Syria was able to stablize it.
This entire notion of having UN peace keeper is a joke.
In order to enforce the peace, UN need to have the capability
and the stomach to both take on Hezbollah *AND* Israel.
UN forces can't do anything. Its presense is nothing but
a face-saving gesture for both side to stop fighting.
\_ I feel bad for the Lebanese, the ones I know (these are the
civilized, merchant ones, not the unwashedeen) hate the Syrians and
Hezbollah almost as much as the Israelis. Poor bastards. -John
\_ Hate Hezbollah? Ack! They must be anti-Arabists and hate
the Lebanese people too! Hezbollah, as we all know, is merely
defending the good people of Lebanon from the evil Jew Zionist
Occupiers.
\_ those who live in Lebanon no longer hates Hezbollah. Thanks to
US policy :D |
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