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8/24    Pluto loses planet status.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5282440.stm  -John
        \_ Why do you hate cartoon dogs?
        \_ That's no moon...
        \_ '"and has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit."
            Pluto was automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit
            overlaps with Neptune's.' Wouldn't that metric disqualify
            Neptune as well?
            \_ First come first serve.
            \_ You can't have the criteria mean "cleared of all material"
               because no planet would qualify.  The only practical way to
               interpret it is "cleared of all objects of comparable size".
            \_ First come first serve.  Neptune was admitted first.
        \_ They fucked up.  They should have listened to their committee,
           which would have kept pluto and added several more.  Much more
           fun.  --PeterM
           \_ Would you really like it if 10 years from now there are dozens
              of known 'planets'?  It kind of dilutes the meaning of the term.
              \_ What's wrong with "dozens" of known planets?  We can select
                 which we think are important, i.e., all the non-pluton
                 planets, with pluto/charon being notable as the first of
                 the plutons.  --PeterM
                 \_ Apparently you're supposed to call them ice dwarfs.
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_dwarf
                    There are more than dozens. Why should they be planets?
                    They aren't what we traditionally consider planets,
                    at least in terms of size.
                    \_ That's no moon...
        \_ This is just plain stupid.  Sometimes a planet is just a planet.
                    \_ That's no moon...
           \_ So your criteria would be... "We say so."
              \- there was an interesting article about CALTECH PLANET MAN
                 MICHAEL BROWN in a recent NYKer ... he went to UCB for
                 grad school and live in the Berkeley Marina.
              \_ Basically, yes.  It's worked for hundreds of years.
        \_ Pluto's protest group:
           http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/861.gif
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news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5282440.stm
Printable version Pluto loses status as a planet Artist's impression of Pluto, BBC Pluto's status has been contested for many years Astronomers have voted to strip Pluto of its status as a planet. About 2,500 scientists meeting in Prague have adopted historic new guidelines that see the small, distant world demoted to a secondary category. The researchers said Pluto failed to dominate its orbit around the Sun in the same way as the other planets. The International Astronomical Union's (IAU) decision means textbooks will now have to describe a Solar System with just eight major planetary bodies. Pluto, which was discovered in 1930 by the American Clyde Tombaugh, will be referred to as a "dwarf planet". There is a recognition that the demotion is likely to upset the public, who have become accustomed to a particular view of the Solar System. but at the end of the day we have to describe the Solar System as it really is, not as we would like it to be," said Professor Iwan Williams, chair of the IAU panel that has been working over recent months to define the term "planet". Voting and the IAU meeting (IAU) The meeting had seen some fierce arguments before final voting The need for a strict definition was deemed necessary after new telescope technologies began to reveal far-off objects that rivalled Pluto in size. Without a new nomenclature, these discoveries raised the prospect that textbooks could soon be talking about 50 or more planets in the Solar System. Amid dramatic scenes in the Czech capital which saw astronomers waving yellow ballot papers in the air, the IAU voted to block this possibility - and in the process took the historic decision to relegate Pluto. The scientists agreed that for a celestial body to qualify as a planet: * it must be in orbit around the Sun * it must be large enough that it takes on a nearly round shape * it has cleared its orbit of other objects Pluto was automatically disqualified because its highly elliptical orbit overlaps with that of Neptune. Icy reaches Pluto's status has been contested for many years. It is further away and considerably smaller than the eight other "traditional" planets in our Solar System. At just 2,360km (1,467 miles) across, Pluto is smaller even than some moons in the Solar System. PLUTO - A 'DEMOTED PLANET' The New Solar System (Not to scale) (BBC) Named after underworld god Average of 59bn km to Sun Orbits Sun every 248 years Diameter of 2,360km Has at least three moons Rotates every 68 days Gravity about 6% of Earth's Surface temperature -233C Nasa probe visits in 2015 Its orbit around the Sun is also highly tilted compared with the plane of the big planets. In addition, since the early 1990s, astronomers have found several objects of comparable size to Pluto in an outer region of the Solar System called the Kuiper Belt. Some astronomers have long argued that Pluto would be better categorised alongside this population of small, icy worlds. The critical blow for Pluto came with the discovery three years ago of an object currently designated 2003 UB313. After being measured with the Hubble Space Telescope, it was shown to be some 3,000km (1,864 miles) in diameter: it is bigger than Pluto. Send us your comments 2003 UB313 will now join Pluto in the dwarf category, along with Pluto's major moon, Charon, and the biggest asteroid in the Solar System, Ceres. An unmanned US spacecraft, New Horizons, is due to fly by Pluto and the Kuiper Belt in 2015.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_dwarf
edit Characteristics Little is known about ice dwarfs due to their extreme distance from Earth combined with the low light levels in their part of the solar system, which makes detailed observation of them highly difficult. Pluto is the most well-known of the ice dwarfs, as it is the only one to have been considered historically to be a planet. Earlier in the process of coming to a planetary definition, plutonian objects had been described using the name pluton. In the introduction to the final form of its proposal the IAU stated that the Merriam-Webster dictionary defined 'plutonian' as, "of, relating to, or characteristic of Pluto or the lower world." Thus the difficulties previously experienced could be avoided through the choice of a simple and literal term. citation needed Stern says that the three outer planets show signs of collisions with ice dwarfs of diameters of approximately 1000 to 2000 kilometers.