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2006/8/22-24 [Health/Sleeping, Health/Women] UID:44099 Activity:moderate
8/22    I went to a doctor and she misdiagnosed my case. Luckily my second
        doctor found the problem and I was given the right treatment. A few
        months later I had the problem again and went to see a doctor, but
        unfortunately they gave me the first doctor again. Once again she
        quickly jumped into the same conclusion and I pointed out that her
        first diagnosis was wrong, afterwards she became very upset, defended
        her decision with a long tirade, and finally insulted me with comments
        like how someone like me could question her authority, after she
        went through all the trouble in medical school to get her hard earned
        MD.  What's the best way to expose her incompetency and bitchiness?
        \_ I can't help you here but I don't have much respect for doctors
           myself. While there are touching stories of doctors who volunteer
           their personal time to help others, two of my friends are now
           MDs and I can tell you that they have serious attitude problems.
           Ever since I've known them as a child, they have always had
           very assertive personalities, so much to a point that they
           can be described as being overly aggressive and unapologetic.
           Both of my friends have this sense of entitlement -- they've made
           it so people must respect their authority. It seems to me that
           in the old days, Doctors cared about the people. But these days,
           they're simply trying to get through as many patients as possible.
           Young doctors working with modern healthcare systems seem to be
           the worst doctors.
           \_ Oh, how I long for The Good Old Days when doctors cared, gas was
              cheap and women were hot, easy, but not at all slutty, oh no.
              Newflash: doctors were always just people and a lot of people
              just suck.  Women were always like this.  And gas is about the
              same price now as it always was in gallons/value.  This doctor
              isn't going out of business because the medical insurance
              system provides very little and usually no choice in who you
              go to for medical care.  The invisible hand only applies to
              situation with competition.  I see my primary care physician
              as nothing more than a referal service I pay $15 to send me to
              someone off her list who might actually know something.  She
              doesn't actually seem to know anything or really care that much.
              \_ what is your metric for saying gas price hasn't changed
                 in terms of gallons/value?
        \_ This is a free market. If she's really that bad, her patients will
           stop going to her. In another word the invisible hand force will
           take her out of the free market without your intervention.
           \_ great schtick
           \_ It's not that easy because such a high percentage of
              doctors are like that.  They'll just find another job,
              or the healthcare system will just throw new patients at
              them, who don't know better to complain.  The basic
              attitude I've encountered is, "I don't know what your
              problem is (and I know everything), so it must be all in
              your head.  Here, take some prozac and come back for
              more when you run out."
              I used to have Kaiser.  I never used it for years so I
              didn't know anything about it, but when I needed it, it
              was as worthless as a piece of dirt on the ground.  No,
              it was worse than that, because my life wouldn't depend
              on a piece of dirt on the ground.  I went through 5
              different Kaiser doctors (3 in this area and 2 in San
              Diego area) and except for one, they were completely
              useless.  The one that seemed to care doesn't really
              count because I only saw him on the way to San Diego
              under a personal emergency of sorts.  As far as I was
              concerned, there was only one way, which was to switch
              to PPO and find my own doctor who is willing to admit
              that s/he doesn't know everything.  Even PPO didn't help
              that much financially because they wouldn't pay for
              "experimental" treatments.  I have no direct proof, but
              I believe I would have killed myself by now if it
              weren't for the "experimental" treatment, which I had to
              work hard to find.  I'm still somewhat messed up (have
              slight tendency of autoimmunity), but at least I'm
              living a productive life.  In case anyone cares,
              environmental poisoning is not 100% reversible, so drink
              clean water and don't eat stuff that may have bad stuff
              in it (e.g. large carnivorous fishes and whales --
              mercury).
              \_ You want me to give up whale meat?!?!!  Fuck off, I'd rather
                 die young than live without whale meat.
                 \_ I'm sure you just enjoying making idiotic comments,
                    but it's never about living long.  I'd rather live
                    healthy 50 years than suffer through 100 years.  It's
                    the state of mind, not length of life.
        \- Q: What do you call the person who graduates at
              the bottom of their [sic] med school class?
        \- Q: What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of
              their [sic] med school class?
           A: "Doctor"
           For a serious answer, if the doctor is part of an institution,
           there is presumably a department head or OMBUDSMAN. Makes some
           calls ... figure it out. BTW, I thought the book COMPLICATIONS
           by ATUL GAWANDE was pretty interesting.
           http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312421702
           It would be nice to hear via MotD where this goes.
        \_ Who does she work for? There is usually a reporting mechanism of
           some sort.
        \_ Drop Kaiser; go to Blue Shield.
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com Gently dismantling the myth of medical infallibility, Dr. Atul Gawande's Complications: A Surgeon's Notes on an Imperfect Science is essential reading for anyone involved in medicine--on either end of the stethoscope. Medical professionals make mistakes, learn on the job, and improvise much of their technique and self-confidence. Gawande's tales are humane and passionate reminders that doctors are people, too. His prose is thoughtful and deeply engaging, shifting from sometimes painful stories of suffering patients (including his own child) to intriguing suggestions for improving medicine with the same care he expresses in the surgical theater. Some of his ideas will make health care providers nervous or even angry, but his disarming style, confessional tone, and thoughtful arguments should win over most readers. Complications is a book with heart and an excellent bedside manner, celebrating rather than berating doctors for being merely human. 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