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richard at June 13, 2005 08:48 AM I doubt the authenticity of this. Posted by: Ron at June 13, 2005 08:56 AM I think it was China Daily. There were movies made that featured this sign, so it may well be a movie prop. But the saad fact remains, such signs did exist, as they existed for Jews in Nazi Germany.
Richard at June 13, 2005 08:58 AM While we're at it, let's post a picture of the sign "No Dogs or Filipinas" signs posted in Tregunter Towers in Hong Kong. Also, "though the regulations of the International Settlement did indeed forbid Chinese (other than servants and nannies) as well as dogs from the gardens, the infamous sign 'No Dogs or Chinese Allowed' never existed." com) Posted by: Orville at June 13, 2005 09:06 AM Almost certainly a fake or a movie prop. If it were authentic, it would probably be more grammatically correct. This seems to be a reference to the notorious sign on the gates of Huangpu Park in Shanghai. Unfortunately (for historical accuracy), this sign too seems to be a bit of a myth.
liuzhou at June 13, 2005 09:11 AM It's just that I've read a couple of things over the years where Shanghai residents in the 20's have also questioned the validity of these stories. Also, the way that the Chinese use this particular story as a bullet in their anti-foreign gun makes me suspicious. Don't misunderstand, I would genuinely like to see this sorted out and I would gladly be prepared to apologise for any offence etc. However, point taken that the 1920's (nod to 1930/40's Germany also) were very different than today so it is certainly realistic to imagine that something like the sign did exist. Posted by: Ron at June 13, 2005 09:14 AM Richard, It may not be a legitimate sign now, but I can assure you there was a time in America when such signs were not uncommon. In fact, I can think of a few countries where such signs might have been prominent. Ironically it would be the same nations that pillaged her.
shulan at June 13, 2005 09:26 AM the source is: Robert A Bickers and Jeffrey N Wasserstorm, Shanghai's >Dogs and Chinese not admitted. Legend, History and Contemprary Symbol, in: China Quarterly 142 (1995), S 445f.
shulan at June 13, 2005 09:31 AM I'll make a note in the post about the origins of the sign - thanks Shulan! Hopefully here in the US the signs weren't this disgusting. Our racism was more "tasteful," with signs for "coloreds."
richard at June 13, 2005 09:35 AM My earlier comments should not be taken to in any way deny that western society was appallingly racist in the not too distant past. Thank goodness the west has grown up to the point that it is generally accepted that it's a bad thing, even if racism hasn't been illiminated. When told by a Sikh guard that Chinese could not enter the park because he was Chinese, Bruce Lee jumped and kicked the sign down.
Points to a sign that says "No Dogs And Chinese Allowed." Posted by: eswn at June 13, 2005 10:03 AM You are welcome Richard. Just one of these myths that fit in nicely, but nevertheless are myths. After I just learned that this was in a Bruce Lee movie, I fear it's to late for clarification and the myth has become reality in many peoples minds.
Posted by: Orville at June 13, 2005 11:10 AM richard making me feel uneasy, though i know no hostility in it, i really want to kick sb's ass! Posted by: Henry at June 13, 2005 11:20 AM Sorry Henry -- the sign is a fake, and that mentality died a long time ago.
richard at June 13, 2005 11:23 AM it reminds me of the hard times of china, the wars, the humiliations, i definitely hate the war, even think of it, the darkest side of the human being. Posted by: Henry at June 13, 2005 11:31 AM Orville, whatever did become of that disgusting sign? I hope it was taken down and the persons responsible were appropriately punished. Posted by: schtickyrice at June 13, 2005 07:32 PM What do the Chinese feel about minorities within their own empire? Posted by: RMH at June 13, 2005 08:03 PM I don't know if the sign in the photo is the original or a photochop, but such a sign did exist. The USAF had a facility at CCK base near Taichung (Taiwan) until the US recognized the PRC. Part of the arrangement with the Chiang regime was that they have a building at CCK to house whatever secret military technology they wanted, and to be sure it stayed secret the building was guarded and strictly off-limits to non-US personnel. An ex-serviceman told me the guards got tired of turning curious ROCAF officers away from the gate and put the sign up. There is a story that the building was ceded as a US territory like Guantanamo Bay, though I've never found any evidence of that. Posted by: les at June 13, 2005 08:06 PM Mad dogs and Chinamen National Review, by William McGurn AMONG old China hands, few more contentious issues exist than that of the "No Dogs or Chinese" sign said to have hung outside the Public Gardens atop the Bund of old Shanghai. Countless Chinese schoolboys still grow up with it drummed into their heads, and references continue to pop up in the press, Western as well as Eastern, inevitably to illustrate the wickedness of European colonialism. Events finally came full circle in Hong Kong recently when it turned out that a luxury apartment building had posted signs banning both maids and dogs from the main elevator. The prohibition on maids appeared in Chinese and Tagalog (the most common of the Philippines' many languages) and was posted under another sign forbidding dogs. Although the signs were hastily removed, the spirit behind them lingers on. Just a few days after the story broke, the following note was slipped under the doors of Filipinas living in the building: YOU SHOULD TAKE THE SERVICE LIFT WHERE YOU BELONG! DON'T RUIN THE REPUTATION OF YOUR OWN KIND WHO DISAGREE WITH YOUR ATTITUDES AND ACTIONS. OBVIOUSLY THIS APPLIES TO THE USE OF THE SHUTTLE BUSES ALSO. The Philippine consul general lodged a protest and drew parallels with the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi movement. But mostly the war has been carried out on the letters page of the Post, where hostilities have raged between those urging sympathy for the long-suffering Filipinas and those saying the Filipinas need to learn their place. "Yes, we are domestic helpers, but that doesn't make us less human," wrote Marrz Saludez Balaoro. "Although some of them allege that they are college graduates in the Philippines and therefore seem to have a corresponding sense of superiority, they come here to work as domestic helpers, and they should not expect to be treated more favorably than others in their position," said J Ong. But the most priceless letter came from a man who signed his name Robert Thio and was fool enough to append the letters "PhD" after it. The signs, he declared, "were not put up without a valid reason." Thio, "that many Filipino maids speak loudly among themselves in the lifts of the building and on public business (particularly in mini-buses). This is a nuisance and generates resentment among other people." Anyone who has heard Cantonese speaking among themselves will concede that they are not exactly Trappist monks, a fact pointed out by the next round of correspondents. Again, the news is not comforting for those who associate all villainy with the West. Lynn Pan, author of several books on Shanghai, says the source of the myth was revealed to her during a visit to the basement of the Shanghai Museum. In the course of her research for a just-released photo essay on old Shanghai, she stumbled across not one but an entire cache of "No Dogs or Chinese" signs that had been manufactured by Party authorities to parade before visiting foreign delegations. "People swear...
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