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2006/8/22-24 [Science/Disaster] UID:44089 Activity:moderate
8/21    "Less than half of people 65 and older abide by heat-emergency
        recommendations like drinking lots of water. Reason: they don't
        consider themselves seniors... There are four stages of denial, says
        Eric Holdeman, director of emergency management for Seattle's King
        County, which faces a significant earthquake threat. One is, it
        won't happen. Two is, if it does happen, it won't happen to me.
        Three: if it does happen to me, it won't be that bad. And four:
        if it happens to me and it's bad, there's nothing I can do to stop
        it anyway... Ours is a strange culture of irrational distrust--buoyed
        by irrational optimism." Americans are stupid.
        http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1229102,00.html
        \_ Well yes, but it's not really surprising.  The only bad things
           that happen to most Americans are little things that are caused
           by other people.  (Like getting your car stolen.)  Americans
           just don't really believe bad things will happen to them.
           Remember all the people standing around the WTC on 9/11?  It's
           like it never occured to them that it might fall down.  A lot of
           people didn't leave the second tower because they figured it only
           affected the first.  Actually, it's not just Americans, it's
           affluent people who live in peaceful places.
           \_ I think a lot of people didn't leave the second tower because
              they were told that staying put were safer, and they were taught
              they were told that staying put were safer.  They were taught
              they were told that staying put wwas safer.  They were taught
              that following instructions in emergencies (to stay put in this
              case) were safer.
              case) were safer, and better educated people are more likely to
              case) was safer, and better-educated people are more likely to
              follow instructions in situations like these.
              \_ If I was in the second tower when the first one hit I'd haul
                 ass immediately as far away as possible.  Following safety
                 instructions that don't make sense has a lot more to do with
                 wisdom or lack thereof than education level.  I don't see
                 how education level has anything to do with this anyway, since
                 the towers are filled with workers from barely got GED to
                 Phd math/econ types.
                 \_ If you were in the second tower, you wouldn't know that the
                    fire was a plane hit until much later.
                    \_ I thought the second strike was about an hour after the
                       first?  Everyone in tower2 should have known what had
                       happened to tower1 shouldn't they?
                       \_ Who in the tower would have thought that the hit was
                          not an accident by a terror plot, let alone a part of
                          a bigger terror plot involving more than one plane?
                          \_ I sent email after the first hit that I was going
                             to work from home that day.  Self preservation:
                             it's a Darwin thing.
           \_ Dude, have you ever seen videos of the stupid things people
              do in third world countries?  Stupidity is not governed by
              socio-economic or political boundaries.
              \_ Meh, I guess you're right.
                 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5270118.stm
                 \_ "When Um Ali Mihdi returned to her home in the southern
                    Lebanese city of Bint Jbeil two days ago, she found a
                    1,000lb (450kg) Israeli bomb lying unexploded in her living
                    room.  The shell is huge, bigger than the young boy pushed
                    forward to stand reluctantly next to it while we get our
                    cameras out and record the scene for posterity."
                    What the fuck?  "Here kid, go stand there for scale.  WE'RE
                    WAITING"
                    \_ Not that they wouldn't all die if it went off, but
                       still funny that some moron pushed the kid forward who
                       was too smart to volunteer.
                 \_ "Of course we want help from the government, but not the
                    Lebanese army - if it wasn't for the resistance, Bint Jbeil
                    would still be under occupation."
                    Yes, if it wasn't for the resistance, Israel's force that
                    invaded to quell the resistance would still be... oh wait.
                    \_ If Israel completely disarmed, they'd be genocided.
                       If their neighbors completely disarmed there would be
                       peace and economic prosperity throughout the region.
                       Everyone knows it but it isn't PC to say so.  Pretending
                       otherwise makes people feel better.
                       \_ Bad guys never disarm by choice.  It is silly
                          for good guys to try to teach by example in this
                          case.
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Printable version Dangers await Lebanon returnees By Martin Asser BBC News, Bint Jbeil Interior of a bombed house Bint Jbeil is one of the worst hit areas in the south When Um Ali Mihdi returned to her home in the southern Lebanese city of Bint Jbeil two days ago, she found a 1,000lb (450kg) Israeli bomb lying unexploded in her living room. The shell is huge, bigger than the young boy pushed forward to stand reluctantly next to it while we get our cameras out and record the scene for posterity. The bomb came through the roof of the single-storey house and half-embedded itself into the floor, just missing the TV. There is a hole in the roof with exactly the same profile as the shell itself, like when a cartoon character runs through a wall. The tailfin - complete with skull-and-crossbones marking - still lies on the roof next to the hole where it broke off. This is just one of thousands of nasty surprises greeting those coming back to southern Lebanon after Israel's five-week war with the Hezbollah militant group. "But I have many other problems - there is no money, no work, my husband passed away two years ago." Fierce battle Bint Jbeil - a city of 60,000 inhabitants which styles itself the capital of Lebanon's liberation from Israeli occupation in 2000 - is one of the worst hit areas in the south. There is hardly a building left standing in the city's historic market or along its main roads. In pictures The eastern Mihaniya area, where Um Ali lives, is also largely destroyed, mostly the result of aerial bombing and artillery fire from over a hill which separates Bin Jbeil from the Israeli border less than 5km (three miles) away. For much of the time, the locals tell me, there were 2,000 people sheltering in the Mihaniya school, too frightened to leave because of bombing on the roads north. There was also house-to-house fighting here, after Israeli troops entered Mihaniya and were engaged by Hezbollah fighters at close quarters. A neighbour, Ghassan Dabaja, shows us congealed blood on the floor of his kitchen where an Israeli sniper was carried by his comrades after being hit by incoming fire or shrapnel. Pride in resistance As he takes around his three-storey house, Mr Dabaja warns us to be careful of an anti-personnel mine fitted with a tipping device that the Israeli troops left near the front door. Photo:Bent Jbail View a 360 panorama of damage in the village of Bint Jbail A joint team of engineers from Hezbollah and the municipality has sprayed a series of letters and numbers on the wall to indicate the building needs to be demolished and rebuilt, with Hezbollah footing the bill, because it is structurally unsound. During the fighting, Hezbollah fighters blew a hole through a wall on the ground floor with a rocket-propelled grenade, while the top floor was hit by Israel's aerial bombing. "Our boys came into the building at the ground floor and attacked them from below," Mr Dabaja says proudly. When I ask what he thinks of the government's attempts to wrest control of this area from Hezbollah, in line with the UN ceasefire resolution, he is adamant. "Of course we want help from the government, but not the Lebanese army - if it wasn't for the resistance, Bint Jbeil would still be under occupation." Fleeing again Israeli troops are still dug in at strategic points to the south and east of Bint Jbeil. To the east, some of the few people who have come back to the town of Aitaroun are thinking of fleeing once more. Fears over bomb clean-up One family has reopened their grocery shop, which was hit by Israeli rockets, and customers choose their purchases from among the broken shelves and shattered glass. "There's no security here, the Israeli tanks come and go all the time and helicopters fly over us at night," says the mother. "We came back yesterday but we will try and find somewhere to stay in Beirut again tomorrow." On the steep hill overlooking Bint Jbeil on the south side, the village of Maroun al-Ras has only received two families back since the ceasefire. Many of the houses in the main street and the orchards dotted in the village appear to have been bulldozed. Israeli troops are occupying the southern side of the village, and earlier in the day they opened fire to warn off a team from Medicins Sans Frontieres which had come to assess the situation. One of those returning, a 75-year-old who has come back from Tyre to check on his house, admits this was one of the most important assets for the "resistance" - high ground that offers a line of fire over a large swathe of northern Israel. Hezbollah still maintains a discreet presence in Maroun al-Ras, scouts crouching among what is left of the orchards with walkie-talkies, just a few hundred metres from the Israeli position.