8/15    If anyone is interested in working at Lawrence Livermore National
        Lab, now or in the future, contact me.  I would also recommend
        LLNL's internsip program.  I can help with that too. -jrleek
        \_ Maybe if you explain why working at LLNL is a cool place to work
           at people would start inquiring more. For example, what are some
           of the reason why people should ditch private sectors that
           offer lots of opportunities and flexibilities and offer lucrative
           stock options, near 6 digit salaries, located in the heart
           of Silicon Valley, San Francisco, and convenient places for
           positions at LLNL, far from civilization in the middle of nowhere?
           Secondly, there are many talented Asians who simply refuse to work
           at any US government agency these days given its history,
           recent fuck-ups in the news, and perceived hostility towards
           minories (which are agreed upon in Asian communities). What has
           the US government done recently to improve its poor perception
           in these minority communities? Why should minorities quit their
           nice jobs in the vally to go to LLNL?
           \_ I hate Bush, right wing nuts, skinheads, Republicans, and the
              US government.                             -Minority male
              \_ Hi troll.
           \_ I'm not him but a job at LLNL should be pretty secure and
              you get a nice pension. You could also find cheaper housing in
              the Livermore area probably. I don't work for the gov't but
              working on research projects in a secure job can't be all bad.
              \_ Hi troll.
           \_ Livermore is far from civilization?  Wha?
           \_ LLNL pay seems pretty comparable to other tech companies.
              Most CS Phds here make over 100,000.  I make 80,000, with a
              BS and 2 years experience.  -jrleek
           \_ I hate Bush, right wing nuts, skinheads, Republicans, and the
              US government.                             -Minority male
              \_ Nice. What is the ethnicity make-up, and what is it doing
                 to promote the image that the US government does NOT hate
                 Chinese and other minorities?
                 \_ Ethnicity isn't an issue in hiring.  Being able to get a
                    security clearance is.  Your skin color does not have any
                    effect on your ability to get clearance.
                    \_ Thanks, you said that more clearly than I was
                       apparently capable of. -jrleek
                 \_ Sorry, I wasn't quite finished with that post, I got
                    interuppted.  I admit, the lab is pretty white. I
                    generally ascribe this to the "must be a citizen"
                    requirement, and related fallout, but I'm not really
                    sure.  I know and work with a number of asians
                    (mostly Chinese), but I can't really say much about
                    image issues in asian communities.  I guess I could
                    ask them.  -jrleek
                 \_ Yes, I believe that is exactly the target
                    demographic.  That, and anti-war socialists who don't
                    mind working for the military-industrial complex.
           \_ So, San Jose is kind of my personal version of Hell, so I
              consider that reason enough to not get a job there.
              Livermore, is short on big city ammenities, like good
              restraunts. -jrleek
           \_ As for why you might like working here, it's a very stable
              job, with a good pension.  If you think scientific computing
              on massively parallel super-computers is cool (I do), you
              might like it here.  If not, probably not. I have a lot of
              time flexibility, I can come and go when I please, and
              work at home at will.  This really depends on your project
              though. Oh, and no one EVER asks me to work more
              than 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  It's a good job
              for someone with a family. (like me) -jrleek
        \_ No commies, huh?  And you're posting here?
           Out of curiousity, do you have like a finger-prick
           test for communism?
           test for communism? <This post is in response to what was
           posted on jobs@csua, not the motd.>
           \_ Sheesh, humor circuits disengaged, huh?  The Communist line
              was tounge-in-cheek, but obviously LLNL doesn't hire people
              who advocate the violent overthrow of the US governement.
              -jrleek
           \_ Livermore is far from civilization?  Wha?
              \_ But will you hire libertarians who sit on their ass all day
                 at their government job preaching small government and low
                 taxes on the motd?
                 \_ Yes, I believe that is exactly the target
                    demographic.  That, and anti-war socialists who don't
                    mind working for the military-industrial complex.
                 \_ Ethnicity isn't an issue in hiring.  Being able to get a
                    security clearance is.  Your skin color does not have any
                    effect on your ability to get clearance.
                 \_ If you ever worked for government and saw the waste
                    involved you'd quickly turn into a small government
                    libertarian if you were intellectually honest about it.
                    The government doesn't need more money.  They need a lot
                    less waste.
                    \_ Thanks, you said that more clearly than I was
                       apparently capable of. -jrleek
                    \_ What's funny is that I've been working for the federal
                       government now for 8 months, and I've actually done
                       just that.  I told them I'm quitting by the end of
                       2006.  Yes, they need less waste, and in my opinion,
                       my life as a government employee counts as waste.
                       I don't agree with the drooling worship of giant
                       corporations practiced by most libertarians, particularly
                       since most of those corporations are in bed with big
                       government anyway.  But as far as government waste goes,
                       i'm right with them now.  I've gotten in fights with the
                       secretaries about the fact that they pay about ten times
                       what I need for food when I travel, and their arguement
                       was that it would cost more to fight the system and
                       try to get a "special" low per diem than to just
                       take the money, and that I should just go eat at the
                       most expensive place I can find.  So I've decided to
                       keep track of my travel expenses, and give the difference
                       between what I spend and what I get to government fraud
                       and waste watchdog organizations.
                       \_ I found the per diem only slightly higher than I
                          needed on travel.  If I ate McDonald's and nothing
                          else maybe it'd be 10x but I care more than that
                          what I put in my body.  The real waste is elsewhere.
        \_ I would apply for the job, but my grades suck. -average American male
                       \_ I find the per diem isn't really enough and neither
                          is the hotel. I usually end up paying out of
                          pocket on travel to avoid staying at a dump, and
                          that's with the (very good) government rates at
                          hotels. If you like Motel 6 and Subway for dinner
                          then I guess it's too much.
                          \_  120$/day just for food, in Paris, when the hotel
                              provides good free breakfast and the host
                              institution provides lunch?  A factor of ten was
                              an excageration, but if you really need more than
                              20 dollars to get something better than Subway
                              for dinner in Paris, than you're an idiot.
                              Perhaps I have higher per diems than you.