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8/14    Hate SUVs? Pledge to give out fake SUV tickets for Failure to
        Care About the Environment:
        http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/08/greens-issuing-citations-in-uk
        http://www.motherjones.com/news/exhibit/2003/01/ma_221_01.html
        http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/shop.htm#parking
        \_ just give them out to all car owners.   and RIDE BIKE!
           \_ What the hell?  Am I the only person here who lives a car-free
              bike-based lifestyle for non-environmental reasons?  Sure, I think
              it's nifty that it's good for the environment, but if cars were
              zero-emissions, I still wouldn't be tempted.  Is it really that
              much of a sacrafice to give up an average of $7000/year down the
              rathole, hours and hours wasted behind the wheel when you could
              be working or at home or outside, the legal hassles, the
              logistical hassles, and the breakdowns?  I bike because when I'm
              on a bike, I'm *happy*, and when I'm in a car I'm *pissed*.  The
              rest is secondary.
              on a bike, I'm *happy*, and when I'm in a car I'm *pissed*, to
              save hundreds of thousands of dollars during my working lifetime,
              for health, to enjoy the outside, to avoid hassle, and lastly
              because it's good for the environment.  Are you environment
              motivated bikers all going to go buy SUVs if they come out
              with a zero emissions SUV?  Really?
           \_ You tree-huggers crack me. Keep posting crap like this.
              Meanwhile 3rd world countries are polluting en masse in ways
              thousands of SUVs could never do. I said it again - the only
              pro-enviroment thing a person can do is off themselves. Period.
              \_ I drive a car because I like the flexibility to change jobs
                 and not worry about having to move where I live.  I drive a
                 car because I like the flexibility of having an extra hour a
                 day I didn't spend "trapped on a bike".  I'd love a
                 zero-emissions vehicle.
                 \_ Fine.  Be your bad self with your car.  I was talking to
                    the RIDE BIKE people who at least pose on the motd as
                    if environmental concerns are the main reason they made
                    that choice.  I just find that hard to believe, anymore
                    than I believe you drive because you just love smog.
                    \_ There are plenty of environmental concerns related
                       to driving other than emissions.  -tom
                       \_  Yeah, I agree.  But suppose there were none at all.
                           Would you drive?  I wouldn't, and I'm just
                           wondering how many car-free people would or
                           would not drive if it were not for the
                           environmental impact.  There is no negative
                           environmental impact that I know of to pounding
                           railroad spikes through my cock, but I'm not
                           going to start doing that any time soon either.
                           \_ Many of the environmental problems of the
                              automobile are inherent to it (traffic and
                              sprawl being two examples).  -tom
                              \_ Do you enjoy driving?
                                 \_ I did.  I drove across the country in
                                    three days.  -tom
              \_ And you "Nothing I ever do makes any difference" people
                 annoy the hell out of me.  Why do you even bother living?
                 If a person used 10 less gallons of gasoline, that person
                 used 10 less gallons of gasoline.  You do it because it's
                         \_ fewer
                 a good thing to do, not because it's going to suddenly
                 change the world.
              \_ we're so sorry to hear of your passing.  -tom
        \_ Can we do the same to reckless drivers regardless of the type of
           vehicles they drive?  I was almost hit by a van last Friday which
           changed lane into mine.
           \_ Dude! that's a good idea.  We should have licenses for vehicles,
              and print little metal signs on them to indicate the number of
              the license, then we can have some "traffic laws", which  allow
              tickets to be handed out to reckless drivers by "cops".
              This idea might just go places.
              \_ You mean I can call the cops and they'll actually do something
                 about it???  I did copy down the license plate number and the
                 time and location, just to submit them to
                 http://www.baaqmd.gov/exhaust/exhaust.asp to give the owner a
                 little annoyance.  That's my powerless citizen's way to
                 punish him/her.
        \_ There is no need for that because demand is down already:
           http://www.google.com/trends?q=Hummer+h2%2Chummer+h3
           Meanwhile demand for eco cars are um, almost the same:
           Meanwhile demand for eco cars are um, cyclical:
           http://www.google.com/trends?q=gasoline%2C+hybrid%2C+prius
           \_ GM does not believe in supply and demand.  Why should they?
              They can always get socialist LOOTER republicans to bail them
              out using our tax dollars taken by MEN WITH GUNS.
              \_ If the invisible hand allows GM to do what they are good
                 at doing, then they are deemed the best and the brightest
                 in the free-market and are automatically rewarded as
                 expected. Why do you hate capitalism you commie-pig?
                 \_ I am a capitalist and you are clearly not.  When a
                    company fails due to the consistent stupidity of its
                    management, it deserves to FAIL, not get bailed out
                    by the taxpayer.  That's socialism.  In a capitalist
                    system, GM would have either failed a long time ago or
                    actually started responding to market forces.
                    Of course people like you only call it socialism when you
                    give ten bucks to a poor person.  When you give ten billion
                    to a failing corporation you call it capitalism, but that
                    doesn't make it so.  GM management are like villains out of
                    an Ayn Rand novel, and so are you if you defend them.
                 \_ Who said GM was the best or brightest at anything?  You
                    are definitely not reading the financial news.  Your
                    point would be a lot strong (or even exist) if you knew
                    wth you were talking about.
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