8/1 Does anyone know if foreign Mandarin accents irritate Mainland Chinese
as much as Beijing Chinese accent irritates say, the Taiwanese? In
another word do Mainlander discriminate as much as the non-Mainlanders
based on non-local Mandarin accents?
\_ The answer is "No" with almost absolute certainty for several
reason. While Beijing is more or less being the capital for
past 800 years, Chinese government traditionally ran by Mandarins
selected by sheer examination scores. This means government
up to cabinent members can came from anywhere. As result, there
is little geographical sense of superority. The situation changed
somewhat during Manchu Dynasty, mostly due to ethnic tensions
between royal desent (Manchus) and Hans who made up majority of
government body. The funny things is, those royal family based
their pride on proper Mandarin (specifically, "inner city" Beijing
accent, oppose to "outter city" and "outside of city"), instead of
Manchurian, a native Manchu tongue which almost no one speaks.
Fastforward to today,like any other metropolitans,bulk of Beijing's
14 million resident came from outside of the city. Consider that
China has several thousands of dialects, most people don't hold
anything agaist you if you speak with an accent.
\_ Short answer: No. While Beijing has been the capital of China for
more or less 800 years, majority of government officials, e.g.
Mandarins were selected by examination, thus, no particular
geographical ties. Today's Bejing, just like rest of major
Metropolitians, more people are from outside of Beijing than
the true native. While people do praise those who speak
with proper accent, very few, if any, are being discriminated
because of his/her accent, as there are at least 1.2 billion people
speak Mandarin with some sort of accent. -kngharv
\_ I don't know about accents, but my wife served as a tour guide
at the Salt Lake Temple Square, and generally the Taiwanese
tour guides did not give tours to the mainland Chinese. She
wasn't quite sure why, but it seemed to have to do with
tensions over Taiwanese independence. -jrleek
\_ jrleek. The root cause of this tension is because
pro-independent Taiwanese plays racial politics. Race, by
their definition, is based upon where one's parents were born.
As result, myself, born in Taiwan and currently working in
Taiwan, is considered as "Chinese Pig" by those Taiwanese.
(by the way, "Chinese Pig" was the exact term they use.)
Right now, Taiwan's democracy is completely engulfed by racial
politics that anything deemd "Native" (i.e. those people who
came to Taiwan prior to First Sino-Japanese War in 1845) is
justified. Politicians are judged based upon his blood line,
not by how well he/she has been ruled. kngharv
not by how well he/she has ruled. kngharv
\_ It is true. The Taiwanese people resent the Mainlanders
and their government. I'm wondering if the reverse is
also true. Do Mainlanders hate the Taiwanese? -taiwanese
\- there are some pretty crazy shenannigans between
china and taiwan. do you know about the crazy panda
diplomacy trick? i understand there is some either
pro-chinese or pro-taiwanese radio talk show in LA
and people get so worked up when calling from cell
phones in cars, they get into accidents. china also
does some wealsey things like objecting to a USA visa
for taiwanese officials truing to come to things like
college reunions.
\_ We should bomb Taiwan. Why the hell does this
tiny country even exist? -proud American
\_ To provide us with motherboards, DUH!
\_ You misunderstand. The tour guides didn't have the
problem, the guests did. In otherwords, from this one
data point it seems like mainlanders might have a
problem with the Taiwanese. One third hand data point
ain't much though. -jrleek
\_ nope, jrleek, that is not correct. People from mainland
tend to have problem with people from Hong Kong for one
reason or another, such resentment toward people from
Taiwan virtually non-existent. Majority of problem
lies upon Taiwan side. -kngharv
\_ I don't know Chineese, but I do know people, so I can pretty
confidently say, "Yes." Yankees hate southern accents.
Swiss hate Austrian accents. Sri Lankans hate Indian Tamil
accents. Limeys hate Gringo accents. People everywhere are
convinced that their way of speaking a language is the one true
way and everyone else is wrong. So it goes.
\_ That's not always true. Some accents get classified as "sexy"
or "sophisticated", along with associated stereotypes(I'm talking
about English here).
\_ Southern accents are great. Northern ones are ugly. -Yankee
\_ You guys are right. The corollary is that people
everywhere hate their own accent and like other accents.
\_ I don't know man. I use to dislike Cantonese (and I am a
Mandarin speaker), but there was this cute sexy girl who
I swear speaks the most sexy sounding Cantonese I've
ever heard. After that, I don't find Cantonese so
offensive sounding. ;) |