7/30    Hey, Israelis, supporters of Israel, this should make you proud:
        (picture of dead terrorist from NY Times, ranging from 9 month old
        to 95 years old)
        http://tinyurl.com/o3dhk
        For those who don't remember, "accident" of similiar scale happened
        10 years ago in the same town,  Qana, in a UN refugee compound, when
        Israelis was using anti-personnel shell (you know, those kind that
        explode in the air for maximum damage) attacking the UN compound.
        And you said this kind of attack has a moral high ground compare with
        sucide bomber in a city bus?
        \_ Oopsie!  A very inconvenient 8 hours between the attack and the
           building falling apart.  Stop storing explosives in homes and homes
           will stop being attacked.  And hey, how about returning the
           soldiers, disarming Hezbollah, and stop firing hundreds of rockets
           every day at random into civilian areas in Israel and terrorist
           sites in Lebanon will stop being attacked.  You conveniently forget
           that this border has been peaceful for 6 years until Hezbollah, who
           was supposed to have disarmed, built up a huge weapons stockpile
           under UN supervision.  Ignoring context and history is a key
           elemental to propaganda like yours.
           http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283816,00.html
           \_ all these 36 kids died in Qana deserve their fate because
              Hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers?  How many Hezbollah soldiers
              are being tortured by IDF everyday?
              \_ Go look up "human shields", troll.
           \_ peace might of still be there if Israel don't overreact.
              400+ civilian died for the 2 soldiers?  you are giving Arabs
              excuse to toss nuclear bomb at Israel in the future.
              \_ Ha, you mean the excuses they've been using for the last
                 50 years won't do?  The surrounding countries have never
                 needed an excuse to kill Jews.
              \_ Hezbollah exists only to attack and destroy Israel.  They
                 don't need an excuse.  What gave you the idea they had any
                 other reason for existing or anything short of the complete
                 destruction of Israel would get them to stop attacking?
        \_ Please give me the # dead from bus / pizza joint bombs vs.
           a military action gone awry. One is a targeted attack on civilians
           the other might have gone astray. It's like second-guessing
           a police shooting. 3 secs to decide, 30 years for everyone else
           to pass judgement. Let's see Hezbollahs' "restraint" duing
           a unilateral cease-fire.
           \_ Israel has killed 20x civllians in Lebanon in the current
              conflict as Hizbolla has killed via rocket attacks into
              Israel.
              \_ When terrorists stop using their own people as human shields
                 and attacking sovereign states across borders civilian deaths
                 will stop on all sides.
           \_ that is my point. For some reason, Israeli's "targeted" strike
              has killed more innocent people than Hezbollah and Hamas and
              Islamic Jihad combined.
              \_ This is a function of tools at their disposal, rather
                 than intention.  But a state is reasonably held to a higher
                 standards.  Intention cound but it isn't everything.
                 And right and wrong isnt zero sum.  Thant's why this is
                 complicated.
                 complicated.  I actually think some of what is currently
                 going on is "more excusable" than some of their past
                 policies such as the "2x4" policy or bulldozing homes
                 policy.
                 \_ I agree with you, function of tools.  This is why Arabs
                    are desperately want a nuclear bomb and eager to react
                    disproportionaly.  I am not justifying Hezbollah's action,
                    I am just want to point out that when you see Hezbollah
                    fighters slip into a refugee compound and decided to use
                    anti-personnel shell, I wouldn't consider that "doing
                    everything they can to prevent civilian casualty."
                    From most of non pro-Israel point of view, Israel has
                    lost its moral high-ground a long time ago; those who
                    set off bombs in buses are no differ than those IDF shell
                    raining on fleeing convoys.
                    \_ For most of "non pro-Israel point of view" Israel lost
                       its moral high-ground in 1948, 1967 and 1973.  How dare
                       they defend themselves?  It is outrageous!  Here's
                       something to consider: If all of Israel's neighbors
                       were completely disarmed what would Israel do to them?
                       If Israel was completely disarmed what would her
                       neighbors do to Israel?  If Israel was safe from attack,
                       there would be peace and trade.  If Israel was disarmed
                       there would be war and genocide.  Think about that for
                       a while.
                       \_ When Japan invade China in 1930's, their excuse was
                          to defend itself.
                          \_ Japan's PR has nothing to do with Israel's
                             reality.  Better luck next time.  You're *really*
                             stretching it now.  Why don't you just go all the
                             way and compare them to the Nazis?  You're only
                             a small step away.  Go for it!