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7/26    http://csua.org/u/gjj (latimes.com)
        http://www.lobsterlib.com/canYouKill.html
        Hello Human Lobsters!
        \_ Btw, cutting out the brain would almost certainly do the job. Cf.
           sledgehammers and cows. Also, just because plants don't have the
           same nervous systems (or nervous systems at all) does not mean that
           they cannot/do not feel pain when culled to make your sprout salad.
           Take responsibility for your consumption: food = death.
           \_ That's why I only eat fruits and nuts which have already
              fallen from the tree or bush (fruitarian).
              \_ How many bacteria and viruses does your immune system kill
                 every hour?  Your murderer!
                 \_ Self defense!
              \_ According to this argument, you would be ethically fine to
                 eat roadkill. Just out of curiosity, do you know of a website
                 or other such that advocates this lifestyle? I'd love to read
                 more.
           \_ They'd eat us if they could.  I'm just staging a pre-emptive
              strike.  Mmh, lobster... -John
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That's the question that the Coalition to End Animal Suffering and Exploitation (CEASE) set out to answer. After reviewing numerous studies on the various methods used to kill lobsters - from boiling them alive to cutting them in half - CEASE concluded that no method "provides a reliably quick or painless death" or can be "considered humane or even relatively humane." In the journal Science, researcher Gordon Gunter described this method of killing lobsters as "unnecessary torture." As anyone who has ever boiled a lobster alive can attest, when dropped into scalding water, lobsters whip their bodies wildly and scrape the sides of the pot in a desperate attempt to escape, and they can take up to three minutes to die. Placing Lobsters in Cold Water That Is Gradually Heated Many people believe that placing lobsters in cold water that is slowly brought to a boil causes the lobsters to lose consciousness before the water becomes uncomfortably hot. But lobsters killed by this method do struggle to escape as the water becomes hotter - for five to seven minutes. JR Baker decided to prove the obvious and tortured some animals in the name of science. He explained that as you would expect, as the temperature of the water rises, lobsters begin "shaking" and "trembling," and their entire bodies start to convulse. Placing Lobsters in a Saltwater Solution Before Boiling Them Although the lobster industry has claimed that immersing lobsters in a concentrated saltwater solution (one part salt to three parts water) renders them unconscious, we don't know how they experience the salt water (it could be completely agonizing for them), and lobsters regain full consciousness again within 30 seconds of being removed from the salt water. Since it can take three minutes to kill lobsters in boiling water, as you would expect, when plunged into it, the lobsters struggle to escape. Cutting Lobsters in Half or Severing Their Spinal Cords Julia Child, who never met an animal she didn't want in her tummy, once claimed that a lobster "may be killed almost instantly just before cooking if you plunge the point of a knife into the head between the eyes or sever the spinal cord." Like some other animals, lobsters continue to feel pain even after they have been cut in half (like you would if someone cut your legs off). Jaren G Horsley, an invertebrate zoologist, says, "The lobster does not have an autonomic nervous system that puts it into a state of shock when it is harmed. I think the lobster is in a great deal of pain from being cut open ... feels all the pain until its nervous system is destroyed." In other words, the lobster feels being cut in half much like you would, regardless of what Julia Child claims. Placing Lobsters in Fresh Water To read the description, this may well be the cruelest method of killing lobsters. Lobsters who are transferred from sea water to fresh water (unsalted tap water) flip wildly, assume unnatural postures, regurgitate food, and suffer from a painful swelling at their joints. According to JR Baker, "the lobster has no defence against the entry of fresh water through the gills. The hard external skeleton prevents any swelling of the body as a whole, and as a result the soft integument at the joints becomes distended outwards. It is almost as though one sought to anaesthetize a human being, encased in tight armour, by slow injection of fresh water into the blood stream." What You Can Do Cut the cruelty out of your kitchen by eliminating lobsters, crabs, and other sea animals from your diet.
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