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2006/7/26-28 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43806 Activity:nil
7/26    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/mideast.observers/index.html
        "The timeline provided CNN by a U.N. officer in Lebanon showed the
        first bomb exploded about 200 yards from the U.N. outpost at 1:20 p.m.
        Tuesday, prompting the first call ... with the Israeli military.
        The officer said they were assured by the Israeli liaison that he would
        stop the attacks. A series of about nine more bombs hit within 100 to
        400 yards from the observers over the next several hours, with a call
        to the Israeli military following each explosion.
        The U.N. base at Noqoura lost contact with the outpost at 7:40 p.m.,
        apparently the time of the direct hit, the officer said."
        http://tinyurl.com/r8zww (Wash Post)
        Senior Irish officer in UN observation force (not in the destroyed
        bunker) said to have made six phone calls in hours before.  Ireland
        files official protest with Israel.
        "He warned the Israelis that they were shelling in very close proximity
        to the post, and his warnings were very specific, explicit, detailed
        and stark. Obviously those warnings went unheeded."
        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/world/26cnd-nations.html
        UN official says no Hezbollah firing was taking place in the area
        around the observation post in the six hours of phone calls and
        air/artillery strikes.
        \_ why are UN soldiers within 100 yrds of hezbolla targets?
           \_ it's my understanding Israel told the UN it wouldn't touch the
              UN observation posts
           \_ good try.  UN Observation post has been there forever.
              \_ shielding hezbollah targets 100 yards away forever?
                 \_ i am just saying that observation post has been there
                    for a long long time and Israel is fully aware of its
                    position. the fact that this post was destroyed by an
                    coordinated artiley shelling and ariel bombing, it is
                    quite obvious that this incident is anything but
                    "accidental."
                    \_ Israel didn't say it was an accident.  They said "we're
                       sorry we killed the UN guys".  If the UN stopped
                       shielding terrorists, UN guys would stop dying.
                       You're aware that the pullout agreement 6 years ago
                       said the UN was supposed to disarm Hezbollah, not
                       watch them build up a bigger military stock pile
                       than ever before.  Where was the UN report on the
                       last six years' of buildup?  These guys are obsevers,
                       so what were the observing and what'd they do about
                       what they observed?  This is the fault of the UN for
                       putting those guys there to die.  It was inevitable
                       given the situation the UN created.
        \_ Sounds like an excerpt from the "Demons and Angels" Red Dwarf:
           "The poor wretch. He has a faulty gun. He has accidentally shot
            me five times. Oh, how I love him!"
        \_ I've been saying that Israeli has a history of attacking
           UN facilities in the past.  All of them supposely "accidental."
           Does make you wonders...
           \_ Got a list of dates and events?
        \_ This is how IDF "do their best they can" to avoid civilian/UN
           casualties.  The reality is, they just do whatever they want and
           they know US will back them.
           \_ No, it is a message to the UN: Stop shielding terrorists and
              your people won't get killed.  Not that Khofi gives a damn
              about a few random guys on the ground.
        \_ One of the UN observer is a Chinese.  Chinese embassy has send
           a very strong protest to Israel.  Such protest is probably going to
           be ignored completely and IDF is probably going to be 'business as
           usual.'
           \_ As if.  The Chinese want Israeli weapons and couldn't care less
              about one dead guy.
              \_ much of Israel/Chinese weapon program has been suspended by
                 USA. secondly, remember the Hezbollah missile that hit
                 Israeli warship?  that is a Chinese design.  Chinese has
                 a significant weapon market share in the Middle East and
                 they can REALLY stir up the pot if they choose to.
        \_ That's funny, the UNIFIL says Hezbollah was firing from that
           position.
           http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilpress.htm
           http://tinyurl.com/s6bdr (Herald Sun)
           \_ Israel has no right to shell and bomb UN site for any reason,
              even if Hezbollah was firing *FROM* that position.  Then again,
              Israel is no friend of UN for the past 50+ years.
              \_ Wow, that's really nutty.  So why would the UN allow Hezbollah
                 to fire at Israel from a UN site?  And Israel is supposed to
                 just let it happen?  That would have been a much better troll
                 if you were less black'n'white nutty about it.
                 \_ 1. these observers are unarmed. 2. it's not at UN's
                    interest for Hezbollah to fire from UN observation post
                    3. UN observation post is by no mean a safe heavan for
                    Hezbollah.  4.  Israel has been repeatly warned UN in the
                    past that UN observer tend to be more sympathic to
                    Palistanian and Lebonese... so you figures.
                    \_ 1) so what?  2) sure it is 3) it isnt *now*, it was
                       4) uh... what?  Yes we know the UN is biased against
                       Israel.  And?
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Manage Your Newsletters JavaScript is required to display this interactive graphic. If it is turned off, please enable JavaScript in your browser preferences. Olmert: 'Deep Regret' Over Peacekeepers By ARON HELLER The Associated Press Wednesday, July 26, 2006; Ireland filed an official protest with Israel alleging that its senior UN observer in Lebanon made six telephoned warnings about Israeli shelling near a UN border outpost hours before the strike. The observers were killed by an Israeli bomb that destroyed the outpost in Lebanon on Tuesday night. A Chinese UN soldier is seen during an operation to clear the rubble from a destroyed building that was attacked by Israeli warplane missiles last week, in a search for the bodies of missing persons in the southern coastal Lebanon city of Tyre, Wednesday, July 26, 2006. China on Wednesday demanded that Israel apologize for an attack in Lebanon that killed a Chinese UN observer as President Hu Jintao offered his condolences. 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apparently deliberate targetting" of a UN observation post, killing four observers. Do these people seriously think Israel aims to kill UN staff, and that this was not simply - as Israel insists - a tragic mistake? What makes Annan's allegation so unforgiveable is that his UN Interim Force in Lebanon has been warning for days about what almost certainly caused this tragedy. Hezbollah fighters, who have already been firing behind screens of women and children, have also been shooting from behind and next to the UN positions, presumably hoping Israel will not dare shoot back and risk exactly this kind of propaganda disaster. Hezbollah fighters were shooting from right beside them . Says the UNIFIL press release of 20 July: Hezbollah firing was also reported from the immediate vicinity of the UN positions in Naquora and Maroun Al Ras areas at the time of the incidents (of Israeli return fire). Can the jeering critics of Israel stop catcalling for a minute and explain how Israel is to defend itself against an enemy that shoots from among women and children, and from behind UN soldiers? Can they explain why they are such apologists for terrorists? Can Annan explain why he did not call on Hezbollah to stop risking the lives of his staff, or pull them out when they were being used to screen terrorist fighters? Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie says he recently received emails from the Canadian peacekeeper killed at the UN post who'd told him that Hezbollah was using his post as cover. We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that's a favorite trick by people who don't have representation in the UN. 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There still remains only one way for Israel to defend itself against recognised Terrorists who abide by no rules or agreements and that's the method being used now. Posted by Grant of Brisbane on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:21am: Your support of Israel is no doubt admirable, your accusations of anti-Semitism in the media very questionable but at least thought provoking. So this raises some questions that I would appreciate your (and any of your readers) opinions on: 1 Do you feel any sympathy for Lebanese civilians at all? I cannot recall reading anythign akin to this in any of your related posts, so am interested to know. Posted by Tracey Conlan on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:22am: 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers for the lives of 4 innocent UN observers. Posted by chrisse of Melbourne on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:39am: Tracey Conlan 10:22 why don't you go over and ask the Hezb'Allah terrorists who were using them as human shields? Posted by Barry Bones on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:41am: Grant of Brisbane - Be prepared for the usual anti-semtic abuse. Posted by chrisse of Melbourne on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:47am: 1 Do you feel any sympathy for Lebanese civilians at all? I cannot recall reading anythign akin to this in any of your related posts, so am interested to know. Answer: Yes I do, but feel that the Lebanese Government, Iran and Syria are to blame for the failure to meet the conditions of UN Resolution 1559. Answer: When a resolution is found that gives Israel true peace. By the way, you don't want to know how this female would do that. Answer: All nations should be subject to scrutiny of their actions. However, a nation can be held accountable, terrorists can not. Actions have been committed in Israels name that are morally or ethically questionable, eg Jenin, but Israel has addressed these themselves. Answer: That attitude is appeasement, been tried unsuccessfully since the 1920s, and still the terrorists grew. Gaza and West Bank are doing a great job of developing terrorists from childhood on their own. Posted by Hilly of buderim on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:51am: Not really that simple Tracey. Hezbollah has been amassing a large arsenal of rockets and other arms supplied by Iran and Syria right on the border with Israel and right under the nose of UN observers. This allowed this recognised Terrorist group to become emboldened enough to start crossing the border kidnapping Israel soldiers and attacking other targets. Hezbollah knew at some point it would trigger this response and is now trying to convince you that's it's all over 2 soldiers ... Posted by Alex on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 10:58am: Kofi Annan is and has always been a disgraced man whom words aren't taken seriously by anyone anymore. So let him squeek and scream because nobody gives a damn about him. It has been reiterated again and again (and obviously the Left are oblivious to this fact), that Hezbollah is using civilians as human shields knowing they wouldn't be targeted. then are those who are not American Indians not American or not Aboriginal not Australian? I'm interested to know, how many countries in the world still have the ancestors of the people who first set foot on their lands living/occupying their countries? Posted by Mick Stone on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 11:10am: Thanks Andrew for bringing a small light of sanity to what seems to be "open season" on Israel for having the temerity of trying to survive. As to Grant of Brisbane, yes the civilians dying is heartbreaking in the extreme, but if we are determined to lay blame, then let it be with the terrorists who kill Israeli civilians, whilst hiding behind Lebanese ones ... and derive great joy from the PR value of every dismembered Lebanese child. If we look to a solution, then that too lies in eradicating a cancer that will settle for nothing less than the total anihilation of Israel, even if that means fighting to the last Lebanese civilian. A satisfactory time for Israel to cease hostilities will be when either the Lebanese army, or the international community, can guarantee the safety of Israeli citizens. Israeli scouts hike across it overnight for one of their badges. Even Hizbollah's short range missiles (40kg explosives) cover all of northern Israel, their long range (600 kg explosives) threaten the bulk of Israel's population. Hizbollah, with even cruise missiles, is better equipped than most nations. Posted by Milly of Greensborough on Thu 27 Jul 06 at 11:13am: LittleGreen Footballs, what a load of crap, I bet th...