7/24    Who Killed the Electric Car is a liberal propaganda, just like
        most of the media out there. Boycott all liberal
        propaganda now!                         -conservative
        \_ Speaking of rabid right-wingers who didn't get enough approval from
           their daddies, did anyone else catch the East Bay Express look at
           Michael Savage, nee Weiner? Fascinating look at the development of
           psychosis. --erikred
           \_ Uh, that was a liberal playing at being what he thinks real
              conservatives are like, like most of the motd 'conservatives'.
              Welcome to the echo chamber.
              \_ If you mean op, well, yes, no kidding, got it the first time.
                 If you mean Savage, the man's to the right of Limbaugh.
                 \_ Eh, Limbaugh is a Republican shill, Savage is a nut
                    case.  I don't think they're really comparable on the
                    1-D right/left spectrum.    -real conservative
                    \_ I'm note sure a 1-D right/left spectrum does anyone on
                       the spectrum any justice. The social/economic 2-D chart
                       seems a little more useful, but even that's limited.
                       \_ What would be the third "D"? Nutty-sane?
                    \_ How come conservatives get to have so many more
                       prominent windbags?  You guys have Savage, Coulter,
                       Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc.  All we've got is
                       Michael Moore.  Noam Chomsky doesn't count 'cause he's
                       just boring.
                       \_ Because the conservatives have a 40-year head start
                          on defining the terms of the debate.  Read
                          "Don't Think Of An Elephant."  -tom
                          \_ You meant to say, "spent 50 years as the minority
                             party so they had to think about what they were
                             doing wrong and change".  Now the new minority
                             party needs to do the same.  This has nothing to
                             do with word games and "the terms of the debate".
                             It has everything to do with core philosophy and
                             world view.  You can't redefine away core beliefs.
                             \_ Have you read the book?  It's about getting
                                your ideas out there, not about changing
                                words.  -tom
                \_ Yes, I mean op.  Limbaugh is actually really dull.  I'm not
                   sure why even people who agree with him listen.  Savage is
                   funny as hell.  He has a much better show.  And make no
                   mistake, these are all 'shows' (Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity,
                   etc).
                   \_ Agreed on the show aspect. I've found O'Reilley to be
                      sharp, funny, and almost humble when interviewed on
                      The Daily Show.
                      \_ We must have watched a different Daily Show interview.
                         He started out polite for about 30 seconds, but rapidly
                         devolved into being a complete ass.  (as in compared
                         to other guests who don't agree w/ Jon on various
                         issues)
                         \_ Wow, in this clip (http://csua.org/u/giu he's
                            just plain awful. I'll see if I can dig up an
                            older, more reasonable clip.
                            \_ Well, here he's a little more reasonable, but
                               only just: http://csua.org/u/gix
           \_ Wow, thanks for pointing out the Savage article. I didn't know
              he had a concealed carry permit. Guess I am glad I didn't slug
              him when I saw him standing in front of 101 California.