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2006/7/20-22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:43739 Activity:nil
7/20    Military analysts question Israeli bombing
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_strategic_bombing
        "This is a classic strategic bombing campaign," said Stephen Biddle, a
        former head of military studies at the U.S. Army War College now at the
        Council on Foreign Relations. "What the Israelis are trying to do is
        pressure others into solving their problem for them, hence the
        targeting of civilian infrastructure."
        \_ Dunno if you're talking about the gaza strip or lebanon.
           In Lebanon, Hezbollah quite deliberately has all of their
           offices in the 1st floor of dense apartment buildings
           populated by civilians.  Whatcha gonna do?
           \_ Blow up the rocket installations and camps along the southern
              Lebanon border, establish a DMZ with a range approx. equal to
              the range of the rockets Hizbullah is chucking at your cities,
              and call it a day. I have no issue with punishing Hizbullah;
              I do have an issue when you start bombing civilians and calling
              them collateral damage.
              \_ So you think it's a good idea for Israel to grab an 80 mile
                 DMZ into Lebanon?  You're just trolling, right?  Please tell
                 us you're just trolling.  No one sane can want that no matter
                 what 'side' they take in this.
                 \_ I'm trolling. Well, what I'm trying to say is that, no,
                    it wouldn't be a good idea for Israel to make an 80 mile
                    DMZ in Lebanon, but if they did, it would at least be more
                    reasonable and vaguely justifiable than the continued
                    bombing of Beirut.
                 \_ That looks like what Israel is planning on doing right now.
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_strategic_bombing
AP Military analysts question Israeli bombing By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 20, 6:09 AM ET DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - Thousands of Israeli bombs have fallen on Lebanese homes, roads, bridges, ports, broadcasting towers and even a lighthouse. Israel 's targeting of civilian and government infrastructure overshadows its strikes on the offices and rocket launchers of Hezbollah guerrillas, whose capture of two Israeli soldiers triggered the attacks. "This is a classic strategic bombing campaign," said Stephen Biddle, a former head of military studies at the US Army War College now at the Council on Foreign Relations. "What the Israelis are trying to do is pressure others into solving their problem for them, hence the targeting of civilian infrastructure." 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