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7/13    So I have a silly question regarding 401K pre-tax vs. after-tax.
        Suppose the tax rate now is x, and that in 20 years it'll be
        increased to say, 1.2*x pay for our failing Busheconomy and our
        expensive Iraq War. If I have 401K pre-tax then in 20 years I'd have
        to pay 0.2x more tax than now right? Would it make sense to do 401K
        after-tax instead if you strongly believe that the tax will increase
        in the future?
        \_ There is no way to do after-tax with a 401k, but you can do
           a Roth IRA. The other question is what your tax bracket/income
           might be then, even if each bracket pays higher taxes.
        \_ http://www.smartmoney.com/retirement/401k/index.cfm?story=which401k050609
           Be sure to check out Roth 401K (hybrid of RothIRA and 401K):
           "...For one, no one can predict with certainty what tax rates will
           be in the future, though the general consensus is that they're
           likely to rise to help the government offset growing budget
           deficits and pay for Social Security and Medicare. That's one
           reason why people in the top tax brackets have indicated their
           preference for the Roth 401(k)"
           \_ The Trush Translation:
              "No one can predict the tax rate in the future, but one thing
              many people agree is that we're in a big shit thanks to the
              failing experimental Busheconomy and the experimental
              BushIraqWar and the experimental BushCare and experimental
              BushSecurity plans. Every single one of the experiments failed,
              all of which we'll all have to pay for dearly in the future.
              So that's why people who are smart have indicated their
              preference for the Roth 401K."
           \_ If your employer offers this. Mine doesn't. Does yours?
              \_ Nope. I even asked HR to provide it. -ausman
        \__ So I have a bunch of money in a roll-over IRA. Can I convert
            this to a roll-over Roth IRA and pay the taxes now?
            \_ You need to check out your own situation, but this is
               possible in many situations.
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Autos Career Journal College Planning Debt Management Health Care Insurance Life LTC Insurance Real Estate Retirement Tax Guide More... Key Indicators Bond Market Update Short Term Investing Living Yield Curve More... HP Click Here ATTENTION WORKERS: An exciting new retirement-savings option is coming in 2006. It's called a Roth 401, and, as its name suggests, it combines features of the traditional 401 with those of the Roth IRA. It will be offered by employers like a regular 401 plan, but as with a Roth IRA, contributions will be made with after-tax dollars. While you won't get an upfront tax-deduction, the account will grow tax-free, and withdrawals taken during retirement will not be subject to income tax, provided you're at least 59 1/2 and you've held the account for five years or more. The Roth 401 concept was introduced with the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, which stipulated that employers could start offering these plans on Jan. So far, 35% of the 198 respondents to the latest survey by Hewitt Associates, an employee benefits consulting firm, have indicated that they're likely do so. The Roth 401 could be a boon for high-income individuals who haven't been able to contribute to a Roth IRA because of the income restrictions. In addition, Roth 401 accounts will be subject to the contribution limits of regular 401s -- $15,000 for 2006, or $20,000 for those 50 or older by the end of the year -- allowing individuals to stock away thousands of dollars more in tax-free retirement income than they would through a Roth IRA. "There's no new opportunity to save here, but there's an opportunity to save with a different kind of tax treatment," says David Wray, president of the Profit Sharing/401 Council of America (PSCA). Workers who are offered this new option next year face a difficult choice: Contribute to a Roth 401 and suffer a cut in take-home pay (since contributions are made with after-tax dollars), or stick with a traditional 401 and hope that in retirement, their tax rate will be lower than it is now. Alternatively, they could hedge their bets by contributing to both accounts. Making a sound decision hinges on your estimation of the taxes you think you'll pay in retirement, says Michael Kitces, director of financial planning with the Pinnacle Advisory Group in Columbia, Md If you expect your tax rate to be the same or higher in retirement than it is now, you might be better off with a Roth 401. This is likely to be the case with young people who are just starting their careers and expect their income to increase in the future. "For folks who are in the 15% or 25% tax bracket, it may not be a bad idea to pay those taxes now and never have to worry about what tax brackets might become in the future," says Kitces. If you're in your peak earning years, on the other hand, and you figure your tax bracket will be lower in retirement, you'll benefit from continuing with traditional 401 contributions. In reality, of course, things are much more complicated. For one, no one can predict with certainty what tax rates will be in the future, though the general consensus is that they're likely to rise to help the government offset growing budget deficits and pay for Social Security and Medicare. That's one reason why people in the top tax brackets have indicated their preference for the Roth 401, says Wray. "They are ready to pay the regular tax now, whatever it is, because the certainty that they won't have to pay taxes in the future offsets the value of the tax deferral." And we've gone ahead and answered the most important ones. This is where it gets tricky: While any employer can add a Roth 401 option to its plan starting Jan. Among the major concerns for employers are the costs associated with managing the plan, and educating their workforce about this new investment option. According to the PSCA's Wray, companies will be much more likely to start offering a Roth 401 if their employees indicate that they intend to participate. So if you want a Roth 401 option to be added to your plan, make sure to let your employer know. Employer matches will still be made with pretax dollars, and the match will accumulate in a separate account that will be taxed as ordinary income at withdrawal. It looks like early Roth 401 withdrawal rules will be subject to the same requirements as traditional 401s, according to Kitces. If your company rolls out a Roth 401 next year, be sure to ask your plan manager. The Roth 401 balance can be rolled over into a Roth IRA. The Roth 401 is a provision of the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 that is set to expire in 2010. President Bush has indicated his willingness to make these provisions permanent, but nothing is certain until signed into law. Should the provisions expire, experts say, assets will likely remain in the accounts, but no future contributions would be allowed.