Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 43563
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/05/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
5/25    

2006/7/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:43563 Activity:kinda low
7/5     http://tinyurl.com/qv9v8  (yahoo)
        so, when are we going to invade North Korea?  Afterall, we did
        invade Iraq and ready to bomb Iran.
        \_ obNoOil
        \_ One could say "obNoOil" but that'd be intellectually dishonest.
           More likely is that the President's and his staff understand that
           each country should be treated according to circumstances, one might
           say he's taking a nuanced approach to world affairs, rather than
           the one size fits all approach you're suggesting.  And btw, no one
           said we're ready to bomb Iran.  *IF* there is anything to bomb it
           is spread all over the place.  This isn't the Iraqi reactor the
           Israelis blew up.  Nuance.  Fun, huh?
           \_ Read "Cobra II." We invaded Iraq because we thought it would be
              easy and set an example.  Invading North Korea is Hard (tm), or
              was at least perceived to be in 2002.  It is thought that NK
              could do a huge amount of damage to Seoul via artillery and other
              means before we could successfully invade.  Iraq was invaded
              because it was the most "vulnerable" of the "Axis of Evil." --!op
              \_ I don't dispute any of that.  I agree with you that it is
                 more complex than the mindless "no blood for big oil" crowd
                 would have us believe.  Quite the contrary, I think 10k+
                 artillery pieces could make a good mush of Seoul, etc and
                 Iraq was an easier target, etc.
            \_ there is an earlier thread about we are being a pacifist...
            \_ My obNoOil was a joke. Obviously the real reason is only that
               NK essentially is holding hostages (SK). Plus there's China
               to deal with. Nuanced approach? Rubbish.
                  \- In return for giving up nukes, I recommend borrowing
                     from the historical playbook by offering North Kolea
                     CHENEY as a deterrance hostage. link:csua.org/u/gbx
                     \_ The PSB is wise; heed the PSB.
2025/05/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
5/25    

You may also be interested in these entries...
2010/5/26-6/30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:53845 Activity:nil
5/26    "China could join moves to sanction North Korea"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100526/ap_on_re_as/as_clinton_south_korea
        How did Hillary manage to do that when we're also asking China to
        concede on the economic front at the same time?
         \_ China doesn't want NK to implode. NK is a buffer between SK and
            China, or in other words a large buffer between a strong US ally and
	...
2008/2/4-7 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49057 Activity:nil
2/4     N Korea: nuke, WMD, supernotes
        Iraq: nothing
        We're barking on the wrong tree man.
        \_ N Korea is backed by ChiCom.  Iraq is not really backed by Russia.
           We're barking on the weaker tree.
           \_ 2 other considerations, no matter what me do, NK could
	...
2007/5/17-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:46675 Activity:very high
5/17    Korean trains in historic link-up
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6664091.stm
        Basically, SK pays NK $80mil for a for a symbolic train crossing.
        What the heck, SK?  Why do you continue to play the enabler? -jrleek
        \_ Not sure why YOU would care about SK. I'm Asian and even I
           don't really give a damn.
	...
2007/3/27-29 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:46108 Activity:high
3/26    War Nerd reviews 300 and Victor Hansen
        http://www.exile.ru/2007-March-23/war_nerd.html
        \_ Spot on, thanks for this.
           \- one point about this: yeah, athens should be given their
              due in the case of the persian wars, but if you are going to
              talk about contemporary lessons, the pel war is much more
	...
2007/2/22-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:45795 Activity:low
2/22    Korea tested a nuke and we're not doing anything about it.  Iran
        is planning to test a nuke in a year or so and we're having a cow.
        What's with the double standard? If anything we should disarm these
        sneeky bastards first.
        \_ Seoul is within arty range of over 1K arty pieces buried inside
           NK mountains.
	...
2007/2/13-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:45727 Activity:high
2/13    N. Korea agrees to shutdown nuclear program in exchange for
        1 million tons of fuel oil per year:
        http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-11-nkorea-nuke-talks_x.htm
        \_ Basically, I'll believe it when I see it.  I sure NK is perfectly
           happy to get free fuel oil, but I'm a little sceptical of them
           keeping up their side of the deal.  On the other hand, if China
	...
2006/10/20-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44879 Activity:nil
10/20   http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-10/20/content_713426.htm
        'Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear
         test," the newspaper reported.'
        Why do I get the impression that this is a load of bollocks?
        \_ "I'm sorry you're pissed off"
        \_ Why would you trust what he says?
	...
2006/10/19-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44869 Activity:low
10/19   http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2585531
        N Korean general in charge of demilitarized zone tells Diane Sawyer
        that nukes are for self-defense only, and that N Korea does not have
        a relationship with terrorist groups.
        \_ so what?
           \_ exactly.  japan also announced it won't be building nukes, and
	...
2006/10/10-12 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:44759 Activity:nil
10/10   China to NK: "Bad Boy."
        http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000954.html
        \_ Informed world to CoxAndForkum: Welcome to the Real World. Please
           leave ill-conceived paranoid right-wing conspiracy theories at the
           door.
           \_ It's a political cartoon, not a conspiracy theory.
	...
2006/10/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:44736 Activity:kinda low
10/9    BBC radio just now said the NK nuke was estimated to be 1Kt and may
        have been conventional or a failed nuke.
        \_ Russia is saying the blast is between 5 and 15 kilotons, and it
           has a border with N Korea and helped them build the plant used to
           produce plutonium.
           \_ Since when did Russia share a border with North Korea?  I thought
	...
2006/10/9-10 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:44731 Activity:very high
10/8    Bush diplomacy comes to its logical conclusion:
        Threatening three countries, labeling them the "Axis of Evil" and
        then invading one of them for no real reason causes the other two
        to pursue nuclear weapons to defend themselves. Good job, neocons,
        are you actually double agents out to destroy America or are you just
        that stupid?
	...
Cache (6549 bytes)
tinyurl.com/qv9v8 -> news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060705/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missile;_ylt=AjXqXLQnIyqGXVpnqODoVI2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
North Korea test-fired another missile Wednesday, intensifying the furor ignited when the reclusive regime launched at least six missiles, including a long-range Taepodong, earlier in the day. ADVERTISEMENT The missiles apparently fell harmlessly into the Sea of Japan, and US officials said the long-range Taepodong-2 failed shortly after take-off, calling into question the technological capability of North Korea's feared ballistic missile program. But the audacious military exercise drew immediate attention and condemnation. The North American Aerospace Defense Command monitored the launches as they progressed but soon determined they were not a threat to the United States, a spokesman said. UN Security Council scheduled an emergency meeting for Wednesday and Tokyo warned of economic sanctions against the impoverished, communist country. A North Korea foreign ministry official told Japanese journalists in Pyongyang that the regime there has an undeniable right to test missiles. "The missile launch is an issue that is entirely within our sovereignty. No one has the right to dispute it," Ri Pyong Dok, a researcher on Japanese affairs at the North's Foreign Ministry, said on footage aired by TBS. "On the missile launch, we are not bound by any agreement." Japanese national broadcaster NHK reported that an unidentified Foreign Ministry official in Pyongyang acknowledged the firing of the missiles, but Ri told reporters that diplomats like himself are unaware of what the military is doing. Pyongyang could test additional missiles soon despite the international furor over Wednesday's launches, Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said after making a protest via telephone to North Korea's ambassador to Canberra, Chon Jae Hong. "We think they probably do intend to launch more missiles in the next day or two," Downer told reporters, without explaining if the possibility of more tests came up in his talk with Chon. South Korea , separated from the North by the world's most heavily armed border, said the test launches would further deepen its neighbor's international isolation, sour public opinion in the South toward Pyongyang and hurt efforts to control weapons of mass destruction. The tests, which came as the United States celebrated the Fourth of July and launched the space shuttle Discovery from Cape Canaveral, appeared timed to draw the most attention from Washington. "North Korea wants to get the US to direct bilateral negotiations by using the missile card," said Paik Hak-soon, a North Korea expert at the Seoul-based Sejong Institute. "Timing the launch date on July 4 is an attempt to apply maximum pressure on the US government." In Tokyo, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso warned of a "very high possibility" the UN would level economic sanctions against North Korea. Japan also protested the launches officially through Chinese capital, and banned a North Korean ferry from Japanese ports for six months. The tests followed weeks of mounting speculation that North Korea would launch a Taepodong-2. US intelligence reports indicated Pyongyang was taking steps to prepare for a launch, but the timing was unknown. North Korea refused to confirm the preparations, but insisted it had the right to such a test. The test was likely to cast a pall over efforts to lure North Korea back to stalled six-party talks on its nuclear weapons program. Pyongyang has boycotted the negotiations to protest a US crackdown on alleged North Korean counterfeiting and other financial crimes. A North Korean official said Wednesday his country would stand by that stance. US nuclear envoy Christopher Hill was to leave Washington for the region later on Wednesday, and the launches coincided with a trip by South Korea's security chief to Washington for consultations. China's vice-premier was also scheduled to go to Pyongyang next week. The US denounced the launch, but did not consider it a threat to national security, and officials vowed a diplomatic rather than a military response. Thomas Schieffer, the US ambassador to Japan, called the launches "a provocative act," and the White House said Pyongyang had further alienated itself from the world community. Two US State Department officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the long-range missile was the Taepodong-2, North Korea's most advanced missile with a range of up to 15,000 kilometers 9,320 miles. Some experts believe it could reach the United States with a light payload. The missiles all landed hundreds of miles away from Japan and there were no reports the missiles caused damage within Japanese territory, said Japanese spokesman Shinzo Abe. He said the first missile was launched at about 3:30 am Wednesday, or about 2:30 pm Tuesday EDT. North Korea's missile program is based on Scud technology provided by the former Soviet Union or Egypt, according to American and South Korean officials. North Korea started its Rodong-1 missile project in the late 1980s and test-fired the missile for the first time in 1993. North Korea had observed a moratorium on long-range missile launches since 1999. It shocked the world in 1998 by firing a Taepodong missile over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean. The United States and its allies South Korea and Japan have taken quick steps over the past week to strengthen their missile defenses. Washington and Tokyo are working on a joint missile-defense shield, and South Korea is considering the purchase of American SM-2 defensive missiles for its destroyers. The US and North Korea have been in a standoff over Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program since 2002. Experts, however, doubt the regime has managed to develop a nuclear warhead small enough to mount on its long-range missiles. A South Korean protester burns a picture of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il and North's flags during an anti-North Korea rally in Seoul, Wednesday, July 5, 2006. North Korea test-launched six missiles including a long-range Taepodong in an early morning barrage Wednesday, defying stern international warnings of retaliation and prompting concerns that it could follow with more tests. US Calls Missile Launch Provocative Act The Bush administration is taking a tough stance over North Korea's series of missile launches Tuesday. As AP White House correspondent Mark Smith reports, the launches defy weeks of warnings from world leaders. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.