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2006/7/5-6 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43561 Activity:moderate
7/5     http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1659910/posts
        Recall two U.S. soldiers were kidnapped a couple weeks ago and killed.
        Reports are now that they were mutilated beyond recognition and
        beheaded.  Recall that another U.S. soldier was charged with rape and
        quadruple murder last week.  It turns out that all three soldiers were
        in the same platoon.
        \_ jblack, is that you? Do you still call them "Freedom Fries"?
           \_ Just watch the coverage disparity.
              \_ This is non-responsive. Just answer the question please.
                 \_ there wasn't a question.  why do you hate so much? -!jblack
                    \_ "Do you still call them Freedom Fries", is not a
                       question? What do you call it then?
                       \_ blunt hostility serving no useful purpose.  have you
                          stopped beating your wife?  -!jblack
                          \_ Hey, you are the idiots who alienated our allies
                             with the whole "Freedom Fries" thing. Along with
                             triumphant aircraft carrier landings, "Cheese
                             Eating Surrender Monkeys", "Old Europe", "Bring
                             'Em On!" and all the rest of the loudmouthed,
                             trash talking. Now that things have not gone your
                             way, you want to pretend like it all never
                             happened. Sorry, three years ago is not ancient
                             history and we need to be reminded of your
                             arrogant foolishness, so as to learn from your
                             mistakes and not repeat them.
        \_ "you are either with us, or against us."  remember that line?
           and then, we invaded Iraq.  Those who are resisting our occupation
           are by definition terrorist and should not be pardoned.
           Is this all thing warped?  or it's just me?
           \_ "You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists" was
              how I remember it. Which is worse, I don't know...
        \_ how big is a platoon?
           \_ commanded by a lieutenant, a combat platoon typically has 30-40
        \_ Compare the US non-reaction of this with the Israeli reaction of a
           kidnapping of *one* soldier in Gaza.  No wonder our troops might as
           well have target circles painted on their uniforms.
           \_ think of why there is no reaction from our part?  may be
              these US Soldiers deserve to be killed?
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motife Ex-Soldier Charged in Brutal Rape, Slayings By TIM WHITMIRE CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (July 3) - A former Army soldier was charged with the alcohol-fueled rape and killing of a young Iraqi woman and the murder of her family, a crime the attackers apparently tried to cover up by burning the victims' bodies. Steven D Green, a 21-year-old former private first class discharged this spring for a "personality disorder," made an initial appearance on rape and murder charges in a federal courtroom Monday morning, three days after he was arrested by FBI agents in western North Carolina. Green was ordered held without bond while waiting to be taken to Louisville, Kentucky, where he faces four counts of murder and one of rape stemming from the March incident. Each of the murder charges carries a possible death sentence. According to an affidavit unsealed during his court appearance, Green was part of a group of four soldiers from the Fort Campbell, Kentucky-based 101st Airborne Division who invaded a home near the traffic checkpoint they manned in Mahmoudiya, Iraq, about 30 kilometers (20 miles) south of Baghdad. Once inside, the affidavit said, Green and another soldier raped a young Iraqi woman who lived there. Two other soldiers from the division's 502nd Infantry Regiment who were present and interviewed by investigators said Green fired shots from an AK-47 submachine gun that killed the woman, as well as three members of her family: a man, woman and a young girl. The FBI affidavit estimated the rape victim's age as 25, but a neighbor in Mahmoudiya said Monday she was 14. The military's investigation into the killings first became public last week. US officials in Iraq have said they learned of the deaths in March, after the family's bodies were found inside a burned residence. 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He said US Army officers were also seeking permission to exhume one of the bodies; the US military declined to comment on the report because the investigation is ongoing. Associated Press writers Brett Barrouquere in Louisville, Mark Sherman in Washington and Kim Gamel and Robert H Reid in Baghdad contributed to this report. View Replies To: motife I think we need to wait for the case to come to court. However, if he is indeed proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, he should pay the ultimate price. They didn't behead the victims, as a good Muslim would have done. That was sarcasm--but this isn't: Let's wait until this plays out in court. Charges have been filed before, and the accused found innocent. The soldiers (from the same platton) were mutiliated June 19th. So was this particular attack a direct retaliation - a blood feud? Particularly as "Military officials say they believe guilt over the mutilations may have spurred the confession." I would speculate that there was some direct connection that caused the military to start asking some pointed questions. View Replies To: Extremely Extreme Extremist I'll wait for the facts to come out on this before jerking my knee like the other posters did on this thread. If anybody is knee-jerking it is those who insist that "our military just does not do stuff like this." View Replies To: motife I suspect that their may be a serious leadership problem in this platoon/company/battalion. That said, this battalion has been taking some serious casualties of late. Not an excuse for this sort of thing, but just an acknowledgement that we are expecting a great deal from these young men. Almost all will rise to the occasion and act bravely and honorably. My own experience has been that when acts of indiscipline occur - look to the leaders, something is not right at that level. View Replies To: sinkspur I'm really getting fed up with your attitude. 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