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2006/6/15-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:43410 Activity:nil
6/15    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199623,00.html
        The Iraq War is going in the right direction.
        \_ In other news, Fox is the mouthpiece for the administration.
           \_ I'm glad we have friends like these. I wish they existed
              back in WWII. I bet we'd have won that war faster with the
              press second-guessing everything.
              \_ In some ways it's similar.  I seem to recall that "Nazi's
                 have killed 6 million Jews" was not a big news story.
                 Now we have: "insurgents" massacre civilians? Ho hum.
                 Heroism by US troops? Nah.  Accusations of US troop
                 misconduct from anonymous unauthenticated source?  Stop
                 the presses!
                 \_ if putting things into perspective. number of Russian
                    casualties, number of Chinese caulties, number of casulties
                    in Southeast Asia.. then, while 6 million is bad, but
                    rest of 40+ million is pretty bad too
              \_ Live in the present, grasshopper. Painting a rosy picture of
                 inanity and incompetence does no one any good.
                 \_ This is not about the present or the past. It's about
                    a systemic and pervasive hidden war against those
                    who disagree with qualifications. Are you a soldier?
                    Are you a historian? Can you cite precedence even?
                    It's just arrogant presumption, not to mention, cynicism
                    that clouds your judgement in this and all matters related
                    to BushCo/OIF or even Dems vs Repubs. It does no good
                    if all you do is second-guess, complain and offer no
                    real solutions. Like they say put your money where your
                    mouth is. I have not see any 'money' yet from anyone.
                    \_ Here's a solution: don't fucking invade Iraq.  There
                       were several million people (including me) who took to
                       the streets to make that point.  It is disappointing
                       that the administration went ahead with Operation
                       Clusterfuck anyway, but it is not at all surprising
                       that we're now in a protracted war with no real
                       end in sight.  -tom
                    \_ It's not arrogant or cynical. The reality is that Bush
                       is rash and incompetent. This and WWII have almost
                       nothing in common.
                    \_ What, aside from voting, protesting, and donating cash
                       to political candidates that support your point of
                       view can your typical dissenter do?  What, in your mind,
                       constitutes "putting your money etc" in this context?
                       \_ I think he means "ok, now that we're there, how about
                          some constructive ideas" which is legit, but
                          something I see as a really incompetent, pathetic,
                          juvenile and cowardly approach to foreign policy if
                          this were really the thinking behind the Iraq war.
                          I.e. "well, we're all in this together"--same as
                          when your little brother floods the basement and
                          you have to help clean up, or live with the mess.
                          Except that in the real world, the little brother
                          gets a knock upside the head.  -John
                          \_ OK, suggestion one is for the whole frickin'
                             crew to admit they're completely unethical and
                             incompetent and immediately resign.   -tom
                             \_ Well, good luck.  Maybe they'll all have a
                                sudden attack of conscience and
                                responsibility, and monkeys will fly out of
                                my ass.  Great thing about a democracy is,
                                if 51% of the people whose votes count don't
                                want accountability... -John
        \_ in Fox News defense...  I don't think Fox News is a mouth piece of
           the administration.  I think it's just a pure MONEY generating
           machine which knows exactly what its audience *WANTS* to hear.
           And most American citizens prefer simplicity over complexity;
           prefer good news over bad news; prefer USA is a benevolant
           superpower that invades another country for the goodnes of
           man kind than a country which its own private business' interest
           trump everything else.
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I am confident that our cause will succeed and we will indeed see a peaceful Middle East some day because of our actions in Iraq. We are now witnessing the rebirth of nation and the coming of age for a culture that is thousands of years old and stuck in a tradition of oppression." Their obvious lack of confidence in the Iraqi people has been shown to be misguided and ill informed. The lefties would like nothing better than to watch the Iraqi Experiment' fail, even it means the death for more of our brave military. These people could care less about our country's security or prosperity as long as they stay in power." We must continue the battle vigorously more than ever now that Al Qaeda has seen its leader in Iraq taken out. We must be steadfast, as the president said, and provide as much support as possible to our troops in Iraq, and that means supporting Bush. Iraqi people finally can see the democratic process taking hold and the evil terrorists being defeated." 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