4/30 hello. i do not think the wall logs should be on the web
so easily. what do you think?
\_ Wasn't it always on the web in a txt file before?
\_ Can we get motd in RSS too?
\_ Couple problems with that:
1) It's more like a message board than a feed
2) All it takes is one person to booch the formatting
(unlike wall.log, which is consistent enough)
and the whole the whole thing stops working
mrauser's working on a message board anyway, stay tuned
\_ Actually, someone did roll a motd -> rss feed script, but I
don't know what's become of it. If it's lost and I find
some time, I'll do it as an excuse to learn RSS/Atom. -dans
\_ I wrote one, but cgi scripts still are not working
in my cgi-bin directory. I get "Access forbidden"
when I try to run them. -peterl
\_ looks like there's a bug in the httpd.conf:
<Directory /home/*/*/public_html>
AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
Options Indexes IncludesNoExec SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
ExecCGI
</Directory>
(note the "ExecCGI not on the same line as "Options")
If it were on the same line, you'd be able to put an
executable .cgi file anywhere under ~/public_html and
it would work. --dbushong
\_ Yeah, I built an RSS feed of http://csua.org/motd but it just sends
you an entire thread every time there's a change to any part
of it. Meh. --dbushong
\_ It's WALL! It's not like you're posting trade secrets or steamy
sex tapes. And if you're walling such things, I think you want
\_ Or tax returns. Oh, wait...
them to be found.... mostly it's inane chatter, but it's our
inane chatter, and we can track it now -- and to outsiders, it
reads like what it is. Inane chatter. --michener
\_ It's already tracked (or at least was before Soda got
paved) in /csua/lib/wall . Or did you not know that already?
Why do you want to make wall so easily crawlable by Google?
\_ I think there's a realistic concern for expectation of privacy.
Lots of people wall things like "my boss is an idiot," which
are not trade secrets but which would not be walled if the
expectation were that it would wind up on Google. -tom
\_ Which is why you have the choice of whether or not to log
your walls.
\_ I think that's stupid. How would you feel if all
of your IRC and AIM and Yahoo IM and Google Chat
conversations appeared when someone searches or
stumbles on your name in Google?
\_ Ah, but they don't. And wall doesn't have to if you
don't want it to.
\_ Are you a retard? I am making up a situation
to illustrate my point. If you start archiving
the wall log on google, this stuff will happen.
I have some pretty funny wall logs saved from
years ago where someone on soda accidentally
walls about some horrible things that I will not
mention because you will be scarred for life.
I would never ever put this somewhere google
would find it. Making everyone not log their
walls is stupid.
\_ Erm. Some people don't care whether what they
say is available to the public. Wall has been
\_ maybe you should start caring. I think
arbitrarily sticking soda walls on google
when soda walls predate google by like
10 years is not the correct way to do things.
\_ Uh, we've always done it this way so we
should keep doing it this way? That's
idiotic. -dans
public for a long time. The non-logging option
was put in for those who _were_ concerned. If
you want to use it, use it. If you're worried
about someone saving your non-logged walls, don't
wall. Who said anything about "making everyone
not log their walls"?
btw, RealClimate guy, you just overwrote me.
merge your changes.
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom
\_ That's not a reasonable response. -tom, arbiter of all
things reasonable
\_ IIRC, that's exactly why that functionality was written
into wallall. Also when lwall/walld was still running,
walls were publicly read/write available
\_ "publicly readable" is not the same as "indexed
by Google." And it is quite annoying when people
don't log their walls. -tom
don't log their walls. -tom hasn't attended a
politubro meeting or
csua event in years
despite working on the
Berkeley campus, but
still feels the
politburo and the
undergrads should do
what he wants, when he
wants it. tom commands
the politburo to give
him a blow job!
\_ Logging walls is so you can do a tail -whatever !*
wall_log when you log in and see the context of an
ongoing conversation, not to make it public ("public"
in this case being visible and indexed on the great
big Internet.) Meditate briefly on the difference,
young padawan--great truths may be revealed. -John
\_ Oh, look, an undergrad wrote some code to do
something new, and it messes with the little sandbox
we've been playing in for the last decade! Wah Wah!
Let's lynch the upstart prick! Seriously though, I
am disgusted by how certain alums treat soda and the
CSUA as their personal pissing ground, expect that
*nothing* will ever change, and abuse undergrads who
actually write interesting software. The situation
is fucked up. It needs to stop. -dans
\_ Take a chill pill, dans. This is about a
specific feature that would have undesirable
consequences for both undergrads and alumns.
Don't turn it into some battle of the ages between
us evil alumns and the poor oppressed undergrads
we're constantly shitting on. -John
\_ Um I don't think disagreeing with an idea counts
as abuse. The root post of this thread is just
someone expressing an opinion. Get over yourself.
The RSS thing is kind of cool but personally, I
don't think wall fits what RSS is for. Just
because you can do something doesn't mean you
should. But I hardly even use wall anyway so it
doesn't really matter to me.
What actually is the point of wall going out as
an RSS feed? wall is more of a real time
conversation mechanism, not a news feed thing.
Having motd.[official and/or unofficial] on it
would make more sense.
\_ No, disagreeing with an idea is not abuse, but
when specific alumni repeatedly gang up
against the undergrads, flame the politburo
and root, and troll the motd, it adds up to
abuse. What's so fucked about this situation
\_ Well you know, geeks sometimes don't have
the best social skills. They attack
\_ Then maybe we should go back to
beating social skills into them.
everything because this is how they function
in their engineering jobs. But they might
not be wrong.
is that there is a technological solution for
enabling wallrss while stopping Google from
spidering it, but none of the alums who bitch
so loudly are stepping up with code or configs
to solve the problem. Why the hell should the
alumni get to decide what the undergrads can
and can't do? That's stupid. -dans
to solve the problem. Just becaus you can do
\_ I'm still waiting for action on
the last two things I've "stepped up"
with.
\_ Namely? Maybe the ugrads are more
interested in rolling new
functionality than trying to
recreate soda exactly the way it
has been for the last decade?
Maybe they're busy kids doing this
in their spare time, not treating
CSUA root work as a paid job. -dans
\_ perhaps they (or you) shouldn't
suggest mailing root and stepping
up then
\_ Hey, if they (or I) can con
you into doing free work,
but pick and choose what we
implement when, more power
to us. -dans
\_ yes, it's always better
to jerk people around.
this is why people bitch
instead of doing stuff.
--------------------------------------/
\_ Actually, I find a mixture of jerking people around and
rewarding them works best. It simulates gambling, which
causes people to work like madmen. -dans
\_ I hope this is a feeble attempt at humor....
\_ No, I find it's a legitimate management technique of
last resort. Works nicely with ornery, lazy teams, but
isn't really necessary for teams of smart folks who get
things done. -dans
something doesn't mean you should, but if you
use that as an excuse never to do anything,
nothing would ever change. -dans |
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