Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 42670
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2006/4/5-6 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:42670 Activity:moderate
4/4     I am glad I don't live in the suburbs where thing like this happen:
        http://csua.org/u/ffh
        \_ The chance of this happening is /1000 than the chance of your
           kid doing acid or weed in the city.
           \_ You think there's not a similar or greater chance of your kid
              doing acid or weed in the burbs?
           \_ I'm glad you compare being murdered with doing acid and weed.
              It really helps bring out the crazy.
           \_ ooh yeah, kids in the suburbs never do weed
           \_ You missed Frontline last night; the odds of this happening
              are 1/1000th the chance of the same kid getting hooked on Meth
              in the 'burbs.
        \_ Bitter. Young. Poor. Single. Carless. Sardine.
           \_ Huh?  Enthusiastic, young, well-off, 10 year relationship, 2
              cars, big apartment.  -John (not op)
              \_ Old, foreign, !op, DINK.
        \_ I'm not sure why people are making this a suburb vs. city debate,
           and basing it on spurious anecdotal arguments.  If the posters
           above actually care about this, why doesn't someone find statistics
           on homicide and drug crimes in the city vs. suburbs, scaled per
           capita to account for population differences. -dans
           \_ Another reason this "debate" is silly is that no one is bothering
              to define what they mean by suburb or city.  It's like the
              richest counties list that someone posted that showed that the
              richest counties are all in the West, where counties are the
              size of eastern states.  But all that is beside the point.  The
              point is that this is just another battle in the Great American
              Culture war, and that there are people on both sides on the motd
              who hate each other.  This is just another excuse for us to snipe,
              and I appreciate it.  I don't actually deal with the other side
              in the culture wars in my daily life, so the chance to tell
              someone like Dim to go fuck himself is a golden opportunity for
              me.
              who hate each other.  This is just another excuse for us to
              snipe, and I appreciate it.  I don't actually deal with the
              other side in the culture wars in my daily life, so the chance
              to tell someone like Dim to go fuck himself is a golden
              opportunity for me.
              \_ It's shocking that both sides are so out of touch with
                 reality that someone needs to formally define the difference
                 between a suburb and a city before a reasonable discussion
                 can take place.  Hmm, maybe this is something that can bring
                 the two sides together!  Either both sides are smart and
                 utterly, totally disingenuous and intellectually dishonest,
                 or both sides are absurdly petty naive and stupid!  Awesome!
                 -dans
                 \_ You're ignoring my second point, which is that reasonable
                    discussion is not the goal here.
                    \_ You're ignoring my point that you're either a liar or
                       a fool so I'm not interested in either of your points.
                       -dans
           \_ Pft.  What fun would actually *knowing* be?
              \_ Good point.  I stand corrected. -dans
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Local news >> 'I just killed a kid' * Last Updated: 5:43 am | Tuesday, March 21, 2006 'I just killed a kid' This time when 15-year-old Larry Mugrage walked by, Charles Martin had a shotgun BY WILLIAM A WEATHERS | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER UNION TOWNSHIP - Fifteen-year-old Larry Mugrage was on his way home to get a video game when he was shot dead, said a neighbor whose teenage stepsons and brother were regular playmates of the victim. The afternoon shooting followed a confrontation four hours earlier between the teen and another neighbor, 66-year-old Charles Martin, after Mugrage had stepped on the lawn of Martin's Hawthorne Drive home, Holt said. ADVERTISEMENT "He came out cussing at Larry," said Holt, 24, who lives several houses away from Martin's and Mugrage's homes on the same side of the street. An autopsy will determine if more than one blast struck the victim. Martin said the victim, his parents and other youths had been harassing him for five years. Investigators plan to present the case to a grand jury Wednesday, Lt. Martin was arraigned Monday afternoon in Clermont County Municipal Court. Judge James A Shriver ordered him held without bond pending a Thursday hearing. Martin, handcuffed and dressed in an orange jail uniform, did not speak during the hearing. Assistant Clermont County Prosecutor Mark Tekulve had requested that Martin be held without bond, calling the shooting "essentially a premeditated act" that was both "cruel" and "cowardly." "We understand the young man was in the street when the shooting occurred," Tekulve said. Residents of Hawthorne Drive said Martin lived alone, and they would often see him walking in the neighborhood. John Abegglen, assistant superintendent of the West Clermont School District, said the Clermont County Crisis Response Team spent the day at Glen Este High School, where Mugrage was a freshman in the School of American Studies. Ten counselors were on hand to assist students and staff who expressed a need to talk about Mugrage's death. Three of the counselors were assigned to attend all of Mugrage's classes in case they were needed during conversations in the classroom. Abegglen expects the crisis team to be at school for a few more days. In a letter sent home Monday with students, Glen Este Principal Dennis Ashworth outlined crisis resources available to the district's students and gave parents advice on how to help their children deal with the traumatic event. "The West Clermont community experienced a great loss yesterday with the sudden death of one of our ninth-grade students, Larry Mugrage," Ashworth's letter said. Sunday, Holt's 13-year-old brother, who also lives in the neighborhood, was walking with Mugrage when Martin first confronted them about walking in his yard. Mugrage, who spent the four hours between the confrontation and shooting at her house, "was a good kid," Holt said. All the kids - even the little ones (in the neighborhood) - loved him. Holt said she was aware of one other incident when Martin had complained about kids walking across his lawn. He spoke to her husband, saying he would appreciate it if he'd keep the kids from running through his yard, she recalled. Martin's lawn is void of ornamentation except for a pole flying American and US Navy flags. Where the shooting took place (PDF) Charles Martin, 66, is being held without bail at the Clermont County Jail. Martin, who wore a jail uniform for a Monday arraignment, told police earlier that he was upset that a teen was walking in his yard. The Enquirer / Glenn Hartong Charles Martin, 66, is being held without bail at the Clermont County Jail. Martin, who wore a jail uniform for a Monday arraignment, told police earlier that he was upset that a teen was walking in his yard. The Hawthorne Drive home at left is where Charles Martin lives in Clermont County's Union Township. Larry Mugrage, 15, lived with his family in the house at right. Prosecutors say the boy was in the street when he was shot at 3:21 pm Sunday. The Enquirer / Glenn Hartong The Hawthorne Drive home at left is where Charles Martin lives in Clermont County's Union Township. Larry Mugrage, 15, lived with his family in the house at right. Prosecutors say the boy was in the street when he was shot at 3:21 pm Sunday.