3/25 dans, just an observation, please don't get mad at me. For a nice
quiet Saturday night, you sure are using a lot of exclamations and
a lot of cuss words. Normally I'd go out to the beach or somewhere
more interesting and pleasant than the motd. However, I have a project
that's due next week so I'm reading the motd. What's your excuse
for using the motd? Just curious.
\_ Heh. I'm not mad at anyone on the motd. I swear frequently in
informal situations, particularly when namecalling is involved.
``English, motherfucker, do you speak it?'' is a quote from Pulp
Fiction. I'm putting the finishing touches on some code I spent
the last month writing, and will put a release announcement on the
motd when it's ready. I read and respond to the motd while waiting
for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it lags a bit when writing
to soda, which is actually due to a workaround for a FreeBSD bug.
As soon as I finish, I plan to either cuddle at home with my
girlfriend or go out partying with her and other friends. -dans
Fiction. If my language is harsh, it's provoked by people writing
posts that are either disingenuous (i.e. intellectually dishonest)
or outright stupid and naive. As for what I'm doing writing on the
\_ If it's "informal" which I read as "just the motd" then
why do you seem so easily provoked? If you're in a text
only world then when you slap unnecessary curses into your
rants you only come off looking like a ranting child. It
doesn't get any other point across.
\_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric." -jharlan
\_ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric."
Who are you to judge? -jharlan
\_ This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Frankly,
trying to make a point on the motd is kind of silly.
There are a handful of people like John, jrleek and
myself who are open-minded enough to actually read the
motd and change our opinions based on a well reasoned
argument, and even admit we are wrong once in a while.
\_ emarkp still thinks the Iraq War is good.
\_ Nice and all but "English, motherfucker, do you
speak it?" isn't an argument. If you'd actually
made an argument then you'd have something. You
\_ Yes, the argument was that the pp's english
reading comprehension was poor since s/he
ignored the rather important phrase ``appear to
be'' in my statement. Apparently, foul language
interferes with your reading comprehension.
-dans
ranted like an idiot child. I don't care beyond
\_ Are you suggesting that all rants, that is,
violent or extravagant speech acts are childish
and idiotic? If not, what makes my `rant'
childish and idiotic? Please support your
statements with facts. -dans
\_ You realise I could go through your response
\_ sic
and toss your own "Please support your
statements with facts" line back at you since
you don't but it would be a waste of my time.
I was just trying to help you out but you're
obviously much more brilliant and clever than
me and on par with award winning drama which
I can't compete with. Thank you for sharing
your wit and brilliance with us. I look
forward to more random and off topic cursing
and avoidance of issues that were addressed
which you pretend weren't. All of this is
opinion but I'd bet anything that someone
who goes through life telling people,
\_ You are incorrect sir. Strangely enough,
you continue to waste your time by
responding to me. Funny that. -dans
I was just trying to help you out but
you're obviously much more brilliant and
clever than me and on par with award winning
drama which I can't compete with. Thank you
for sharing your wit and brilliance with us.
I look forward to more random and off topic
cursing and avoidance of issues that were
addressed which you pretend weren't. All of
this is opinion but I'd bet anything that
someone who goes through life telling people,
"English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
is not going to do as well as someone who
doesn't, all else being equal. Perhaps your
\_ I do just fine for myself, thank you very
much. -dans
award winning brilliance puts you outside
the curve. Will you be providing any free
tickets to your motd followers to attend the
awards ceremony next year?
\_ Is this a sad attempt at humor? Or just a
weak insult? -dans
the bit waste generated but I thought you might
\_ Because bandwidth is a precious unrenewable
commodity. -dans
care how you come across to someone who doesn't
know you but it doesn't hurt me either way what
decisions you make for yourself. I've changed
my mind about numerous things based on what I've
read on the motd but never from anything from
a non-response like, "English, motherfucker, do
you speak it?". I don't even see why you'd bother
posting such a thing. Better to not post at all,
IMO. There are some situations where dropping some
curse words adds value; the motd isn't one of them.
\_ This is your opinion. Please provide facts to
support this. -dans
As an aside, I find it funny to see you switch
back and forth between holier-than-thou and
idiot-child mode, especially when you get into
holier-mode (and attack other random people who
aren't even here) to cover your moments of idiocy.
The opinions here on many topics cover a wide
spectrum and sometimes get heated and we joke about
the motd being a wasteland, but the truth is you're
talking to the top 1% edge of the general population
where "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?"
isn't taken well and adds nothing. Take care.
\_ by you; do you speak for the motd
populace at larges for they have
no voices to speak with? -dans
\_ While PP gives every indication
of being a pretentious blowhard
cock monkey, I think most
people here are getting a bit
tired of half of the motd being
the dans vs. the world show.
At least the ilyas flame wars
were usually about politics
or philosophy, and not just
personal insults and OS crap.
\_ That's Mr. Cock Monkey to
you, pal! -pp
\_ OS crap? Dude, this is the
Computer Science
Undergraduate Association!
I'm sure the Philosophy and
Political Science
Undergraduate Assocations
have motd where you can
argue those topics to your
hearts content. If it
really trips you out, you
can delete threads I post
in, but I think that the
other half of the motd
would be upset at the
nukefest. -dans
nukefest. Also, it may be
that my tendency to sign my
posts biases the
observation that leads to
the dan vs. the world
conclusion. -dans
\_ Well, that and the
content....
\_ As mentioned above, ``English, motherfucker, do
you speak it'' is a quote from Pulp Fiction,
which won an Academy Award for best screenplay.
It's not exactly an obscure reference. And it
supports my preceding sentence where I ask what
the pp on that thread didn't grok about the
phrase ``appear to be''. I posted it because it
was a) likely amusing to anyone who got the
reference and b) hammered my point home.
Question, have you ever read anything by
Christopher Hitchens? What do you think of him?
In particular, have you read ``The Missionary
Postion,'' his rather nasty character
assassination of Mother Teresa? What did you
\_ Why is this a "character assassination"?
will agree with this term if you do not
give it a negative stigma, but if half of
what he claimed about her is true, she did
not deserve to be sainted, and he has a
point. Several good articles have been
written about the nasty sides of her and
similar organizations. Now back to your
original flame war. -John
think of it? I don't mean to suggest my
rhetoric is anywhere near the level of
Hitchens'. My only point is that nastiness and
harsh language do not make an argument childish,
and it's childish to believe that they do. -dans
Most other regular posters that bother to sign their
posts, e.g. tom, ilyas, jblack, are such stubborn,
delusional bastards that they will *never* change there
opinions. Or, rather, in seven plus years of reading
and posting to the motd, I've never seen them change an
opinion or admit to being wrong. If you'll dismiss an
argument as a senseless rant purely because it has
\_ as opposed to ad hominems because somebody
uses a term like AssOS
\_ I don't believe that suggesting someone is
biased for using the term AssOS is an ad
hominem. Please cite an ad hominem I used
to refer to psb with. Otherwise, consider
looking up the definition of ad hominem. I
used the term AssholeOS to refer to FreeBSD,
and, given the typical behavior of the
FreeBSD community members, it's as reasonable
a moniker for the OS as AssOS is for Linux.
Thus, it is not an ad hominem. -dans
profanity in it, then you're a fool. This is the motd,
not Forensics, Speech, and Debate club. -dans
motd on a Saturday night, I'm putting the finishing touches on
some code I spent the last month writing, and will put a release
announcement on the motd when it's ready. I read and respond to
the motd while waiting for emacs TRAMP mode to save files since it
lags a bit when writing to soda, which is actually due to a
workaround for a FreeBSD bug. As soon as I finish, I plan to
either cuddle with my girlfriend or go out partying with her and
other friends. -dans
\_ Awsome. So what are you coding?
\_ Hey, have you figured out a way for TRAMP to warn you that the
file has changed before updating it?
\_ TRAMP appears to do this for me. Does it not do this for
you, or is there some sort of bug? The two things I set in
my .emacs to impact TRAMP behavior are:
(setq-default auto-save-timeout 600)
and I set tramp-chunksize to 150, which I did through emacs
graphical customization interface. I suspect something like:
(setq tramp-chunksize 150) would be what you want.
-dans
\_ TRAMP doesn't seem to warn me if the file has changed,
unlike when I'm editing local files. I usually try to
do a revert-buffer and then add my change, but that
isn't a 100% fool proof sol'n.
\_ Strange, I don't have this problem. Hmm, what host are
you working with? What is your shell? I have it
working on soda and several of my own boxes running
Linux. I switched my shell to bash on soda because I
didn't feel like beating my head against a wall trying
to make TRAMP work with tcsh. Hmm... you're trying to
edit the motd, aren't you? I don't use it for that, so
the check if file has changed issue doesn't come up as
often for me. -dans
\_ My remote host is OS X running the dp emacs-devel.
My soda shell is bash. Yes, I'm trying to edit the
motd and I'm trying to play nice.
\_ Sorry, I don't think I'll be of much help. I'm
running a similar environment, but I edit the
motd locally in vi. What if you wrote a script
to copy the motd, and, when you saved your copy,
it would check if the motd had changed. If no,
overwrite the motd, if yes, give you a diff or
something? -dans
\_ Solved my problem: M-x diff-buffer-with-file
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