3/16 Do you tip in buffet restaurants? Aside from cabs and restaurants,
where else do you tip?
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away. Also valets
and bellhops/skycaps, obviously. Pizza delivery guys. Bartenders.
\_ Garbagemen, if they haul something unusual away, valets,
bellhops/skycaps, pizza delivery guys, bartenders, and strippers.
\_ 5% in a buffet, if I feel generous.
\_ My gf's family runs a restaurant and this is what she has to say.
Some customers pay a lot and some don't. Those that pay more get
special attention and get their food and drinks served faster and
those that don't, well, her dad spits on their food. So, pay your
fucking 20% tip if you want a clean meal. PS, I'm only joking.
Seriously, she say they simply don't have the time or energy
to keep track who pays how much tip and by law they have to treat
EVERYONE with the same respect. She rarely remembers who pays
more or less tip, but the more the better of course. In another
word, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. If you have the money and you have
to ask, just fucking pay 20-30% and forget about it, and if you
are tight on budget, don't pay. No one's gonna give you special
treatment for overpaying or hunt you down and call you a cheap ass
for underpaying tips. Shit. You're a fucking dumb ass.
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet restaurant?
\_ yer gf's family runs a buffet or non-buffet restaurant?
\_ When you go in to a restaurant and spend $500 you definitely
get treated better than if you had spent $50. Part of the
reason is that the servers know that they will probably
(unless you're a bastard) get a much bigger tip in absolute
terms, even if not in percentage terms. If you are a regular
or if you truly appreciated the service, it makes sense to
tip more as a percentage. My sister has been a GM at many
fine restaurants (and was a server when in college) and you
can bet that she remembers specific instances when someone
was a cheap bastard or when someone was very generous.
Sometimes she even had the same person as a client again and
you bet it affected her attitude. However, this is more a case
of getting stiffed after, say, a $1000 meal (or in one case a
$10000 wedding party) rather than recalling if some schmoe tipped
15% or 20% after his once per year birthday dinner where he
spends $50. --dim
\_ Let's talk about the legality of tip, and put aside, for now
issues related to ethics, common courtesy, manner, conventions.
By law, how much must you tip?
By law, can the provider give differential treatments based on
how much tip you gave them in the past?
Can you go to jail for not paying tips?
Are you a law abiding citizen even if you never tipped?
\_ $0, but I've never heard of a law about differential treatment
based on tips, as long as you don't spit in their food, give
slow service based on race, or things like that.
\_ I don't think tips are expected there since you're supposed to
service yourself there. I would expect that tips are appropriate
where you can identify a specific indiviual who provided you a
service and who isn't being paid directly by you. Taxi-cab driver,
pizza delivery boy, and hairdesser are examples.
\_ What if the hairdresser owns its own business, and you do pay it
directly?
\_ I have tipped a copy store employee who opened up the store for me
a few minutes after closing to help me get fliers copied. I think
you should tip any exceptional service, and shouldn't feel
obligated to tip if you feel the service was bad. Everyone has to
be paid minimum wage, if you don't feel the service was good you
absolutely shouldn't tip. If the manager gets angry at you or
or something for not tipping, tell him why you didn't. -mrauser
\_ Servers do not have to be paid minimum wage, because it is
expected that they will earn tips :
http://www.opm.gov/oca/wage/minwage.asp
\_ If for some reason they don't make enough in tips to cover
min wage they have to get compensated up to minuimum wage.
However if a server can't make minimum wage on tips they
aren't going to last long.
\_ How many of these threads do we need to have? If you have any
social sense/grace at all, these questions are unnecessary.
\_ I think these are useful. What if you haven't been tipping
when it is the custom?
\_ buffet? absolutely not. what prompt service did I insure? this
whole tipping thing has gotten out of hand.
\_ Do you tip for a haircut? I don't think that's for "prompt
service". I hate that actually but I feel obligated.
\_ I tip for haircuts.
\_ Yes because I don't want my hair butchered the next time I
go back. Will they ruin the buffet when they see me coming
in the next time? I don't tip at retail clothing stores or
at the post office or the water company either.
\_ Tipping rules are based on how people are paid, not on
whether or not it will ensure better service. http://tipping.org
is the closest thing to a definitive reference that I've
found. -tom
\_ http://tipping.org? I haven't been there. Is that one of the
sites inhabited by the waiters who say you should tip
15% even if they spit in your food and 25% or higher if
they bother to refill your water glass?
\_ No. But I see you have your mind made up already,
based on nothing other than your own cheapness. -tom
\_ You see what you want to see. I asked a question.
Thanks for answering it. Bite me on the rest.
\_ I've seen those sites too. I'm not cheap, but
I don't think "15% as a BARE MINIMUM" is a policy
I'm inclined to follow.
\_ Then, yes, you are cheap. Waitstaff salaries
are set based on a presumption of a 15% tip.
(In the U.S.). Spending less than that is
cheap and a breach of etiquette, no matter
what the service was like. -tom
\_ I'm with tom up to a point. It's also
accepted that if the service was crap, 10%
is reasonable. That's what I do. I assume
the person is just having a bad day, even
though I could be totally wrong.
\_ And bad/rude service isn't a breach of
etiquette?
\_ Etiquette doesn't allow you to
retaliate for breaches of etiquette. -tom
retaliate for breaches of etiquette.
Or rather, there is an etiquette to the
ways you can retaliate. -tom
\_ I'm also with Tom up to the point of "no
matter what the service was like"--if a
waiter gives you bad service, do not tip.
I've been absolutely flabbergasted at some
of the shit waiters expect people to put up
with. -John
\_ Thanks for answering my question. You can bite me
on your bullshit opinion. You know nothing.
\_ Hair butchered? think about that for a second. if they
butcher your hair you won't go back. that is their
\_ yes but I still have to wear it for 2+ weeks and
people are stupid like that.
\_ Well, at worst you could turn it into a buzz.
And wear a hat.
\_ A good hair salon can fix that, usually. -John
incentive and that's what it should be. Why doesn't
the post office let your mail get butchered unless
you tip well? It kind of makes sense for services where
\_ who would I tip?
\_ All of 'em! Leave tips in your mailbox for the
mailman, or else the mail is mysteriously
in bad shape. Tip the guy at the counter, or
else he might just forget about your mail
for a few days, or take forever to do what
you want. I dunno.
\_ Missing the point.
\_ the mailman? the guy at the counter?
\_ you think if I tip the mm I'll get my
packages delivered faster? does he not
earn enough? a long time ago in a place far
far away when the mailman went door to door
and most people knew theirs by name my parents
gave them christmas gifts and such but I've
got a new one every day, they drive by in a
jeep and all they deliver is junk mail
anyway. :)
\_ Heh. well, according to the hair-butchering
theory, maybe the mailman should be losing
and/or damaging and/or stealing yer mail...
actually that reminds me, last year I had
a package I absolutely needed the same day,
but missed the mailman, so I drove around
the neighborhood and eventually found the
guy. It was the first time I'd talked to
him ever, but he knew our house and
we had a nice little chat. He was a little
odd, but he's a postal employee so that was
to be expected. Nice guy. I don't see why
they shouldn't be getting stuff while
others do. Then again my current mailman
always delivers the previous tenant's mail
even though I have a note there and always
mark it to send back. K I'll stop rambling.
\_ They shouldn't be getting tips
(customarily) because their wages
are not based on the presumption that
they get tips. You can't use logic
to figure it out; you can only learn
the etiquette rules. -tom
you probably never see the person again, like when you
are travelling or in the city and getting service from
various people for whom the anticipated tip is a good
incentive. But for my regular haircut it feels stupid.
Still do it of course.
\_ Whores!
\_ do you tip the cable guy when they install your broadband cable
service?
\_ I did for my satellite installer because the guy went way
out of his way, giving me his personal cell # and coming
back later that day to make up for the head office fucking
up horribly. That wasn't about customary etiquette, that
was just me saying "Thanks for not making me wait another
week for them to reschedule you." -bz
\_ I don't tip at places where I have to go to a counter to get my
food or where I have to bus my own table.
\_ what if they serve you drinks and clean your table after you
leave?
\_ If they serve drinks, I tip as I'm served (usually $1 per
drink).
\_ I used to tip at Souplantation and then I realized this was
becoming weird. Then the price increased by a couple bucks.
After googling a bit, I am going to go back to tipping $1-2, but
the Asian folks I'm usually with never tip.
the Asian grad students I'm usually with never tip.
\_ "give what you can, without hurtin' yo'self" - old Telegraph
beggar by Wells Fargo teller on Bancroft
\_ Oh my God! It's been 10 years since I saw that guy.
Last time I was in Berkeley I walked by that teller
and thought of him, but he wasn't there. My friends and
I still mention this guy from time to time. Hilarious
to find him show up in MOTD! Thanks MOTD! BTW, I think
it was: "Whatever you can spare without hurtin' yo'self."
\_ I don't remember him. I remember "Pat" who smelled
like piss and didn't say anything (and patted his head
all day), that Starr fellow, the bucket-drumming guy,
the little groups of street punks with, for example,
mini suitcase locks in their nose, and the 3-card-monte
guy who was an asshole and could get hostile. I think
there was another black semi-hostile beggar/demander.
\_ Do you remember RAR?
\_ I believe that's "RAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!". |
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