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2006/3/16-18 [Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:42274 Activity:high
3/16    Cal prank on USC basketball player
        http://csua.org/u/f9y
          \_ But wasn't that game in Berkeley?  It says they went to
             Westwood after the game.
             \_ sure, because they're from LA and travel back the same night
        \_ I think this is poor taste and no class.  I am embarassed for
           the "Rally Committee".
           \_ You should be embarassed by the very existence of a Rally
              Committee.  When childish wargames take precedence over academics
              and research, this is the expected result.
           \_ The player, as well his father, eventually had a good laugh
              over it.
              \_ And you can be sure that this player learned a good
                 life lesson about being in the limelight.
           \_ What exactly are your standards for taste and class?  Stuffy
              rooms decorated like the set of masterpiece theatre and high
              grade scotch served in a brandy snifter?  I think it's clever,
              crafty, and brilliant. -dans
              \_ I think he intended the conversation to be private.  It's
                 like making public the personal emails you have with someone.
                 His phone number is also made public.  Would you like your
                 phone number to be published on the internet?
                 It's a breach of etiquette at the very least.  I am not
                 saying he was smart, but for a Cal Rally Committee to
                 endorse and follow through with the plan is poor taste.
                 \_ My phone number *is* published on the internet.  While it
                    would rub me the wrong way to have my private email
                    published, I appreciate a good practical joke, even if I'm
                    the butt, so I'd let it slide.  Sometimes taste must
                    succumb to a higher calling, namely, humor. -dans
                 \_ My phone number *is* published on the internet.  On one
                    hand, yeah having someone publish my private email on the
                    net would rub me a little the wrong way.  On the other
                    hand, I appreciate a good practical joke, even if I'm the
                    butt of it.  I think that sometimes poor taste is
                    justified in the name of higher callings, like humor. -dans
                    \_ If that's the case, it doesn't apply here, unless
                       you have a really low bar for "clever, crafty, and
                       brilliant".
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Airport Security Failure >> March 14, 2006 Basketball Prank On March 4, University of California Berkeley (Cal) played a basketball game against the University of Southern California (USC). With Cal in contention for the PAC-10 title and the NCAA tournament at stake, the game was a must-win. Victoria was a hoax UCLA co-ed, created by Cal's Rally Committee. For the previous week, "she" had been chatting with Gabe Pruitt, USC's starting guard, over AOL Instant Messenger. Pruitt and several of his teammates made plans to go to Westwood after the game so that they could party with Victoria and her friends. On Saturday, at the game, when Pruitt was introduced in the starting lineup, the chants began: "Victoria, Victoria." The look on Pruitt's face when he turned to the bench after the first Victoria chant was priceless. The expression was unlike anything ever seen in collegiate or pro sports. Never did a chant by the opposing crowd have such an impact on a visiting player. 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