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| 2006/3/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42266 Activity:moderate |
3/16 honest question:
People say Bush and his gangs are "Neo-Conservative." Exactly
what do they mean by that? Another question. Fiscal Disipline is
usually one of supposely "conservative" value. But by looking at
records of Reagan, HW Bush, and GW Bush, it is not the case at all!
How does that work?
\_ It's a transparent attempt to make people think of "neo-nazi"
\_ Bullshit.
\_ Politicians are hypocrites and liars. They give the voters what
they want and lie about the consequences.
\_ So astute - teach us more o' wise one.
\_ http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
\_ thanks. good link. I guess my perception about neo-cons are
also fiscal conservative is completely false. On the other
hand, it still doesn't explain why we support radical,
dictatorship such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia :p
\_ that's an easy one. SA supplies a big chunk of our
oil. A military quasi-dictatorship in Pakistan is
magnitudes better than the pro Western jihad
Islamic fundamentalist groups taking power.
\_ There are pro-West jihad Islamic fundamentalists?
\_ http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
\_ I actually met a guy like that. He was pretty weird.
\_ What happened to install democracy world wide?
\_ basically neocons believe in the preemptive strike
\_ so are democrats who believe in preemptive strike also neocons?
\_ Why can't they take this preemptive attitude and clean
up city like Oakland? Arrest and execute those known
fuckers and the city will be a much safer place.
\_ weak weak weak troll. your troll score: F!
\_ gimme a modern dem who favors preemptive and i'll tell you
how neocon they are
\_ lieberman is a strong supporter of GWB's Iraq policy and
the principles behind it.
\_ ob he's a closet republican
\_ so anyone in favor of any GWB policy is really a
republican despite having been in the D party since
probably before you were born.... he's either with
us or against us!
\_ Do you know people are talking about a McCain-
Lieberman ticket?
\_ Do any of these people include John McCain or
Joe Lieberman? I don't think I've seen either
one ever indicate that he was ready to
switch parties. I find that scenario to be
implausible.
\_ and dubya's lips continue to look for lieberman
for smooching
\_ I am still waiting for a preemptive strike against N.Korea...
or we actually get scared for their preemptive strike doctrine?
http://tinyurl.com/gj957
\_ I'd start with Berkeley.
\_ NK has 10,000 artillery pieces within range of SK's capitol.
Even if we could fly in and destroy all the nuke facilities
100% the retaliation strike is going to suck big time. What
I find interesting is polls in SK that show young people from
the post Korean War era think the US should piss off and that
NK is a victim while the older folks are dreadfully afraid of
NK and want the US to stick around and even increase our
strength in SK.
\_ I see those crazy 'NK is misunderstood paradise
bullied by evil US' fuckers at protests in the bay area.
\_ I remember when I was still at Berkeley in the early 90s,
when 5 korean pastors came to the Bay Area to attend a
conference, and I took them on a trip to Yosemite.
The pastors mentioned to me they were very surprised
that Americans they met here were such nice people.
They say the Americans in SK were really arrogant.
\_ Most Americans in SK are either military or english
teachers. The english teachers are often people
with no valuable skills except their ability to
speak their native language. Not only that, but
Korea, for one reason or another, generally pulls
in the dregs of english teachers. So, yeah, most
of the Americans I met in SK were jerks. -jrleek
\_ jrleek, you are just JEALOUS because those
"no valuable skills people who speaks their
native language" get laid easily.
\_ I know this is supposed to be a joke, but it
made me curious. Do you think I'm Korean?
-jrleek
\_ I'm going to Korea to teach conversational English
and I have no special training. What's the
fastest way to learn Korean? Can you recommend
books, audio training kits, etc.?
\_ Korean is really freakin' hard, but if you
send me an email, I'll help however I can. I
do have some suggestions for books, I didn't
really use audio kits, but I'm not even sure
how you'd get my favorite. -jrleek
\_ we only go after ez ones, like Iraq ... we thought it was ez |
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| www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action. Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region. They also see Israel as a key outpost of democracy in a region ruled by despots. Believing that authoritarianism and theocracy have allowed anti-Americanism to flourish in the Middle East, neocons advocate the democratic transformation of the region, starting with Iraq. They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security. The original neocons were a small group of mostly Jewish liberal intellectuals who, in the 1960s and 70s, grew disenchanted with what they saw as the American left's social excesses and reluctance to spend adequately on defense. Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world. Unlike their predecessors, most younger neocons never experienced being left of center. What is the difference between a neoconservative and a conservative? Liberals first applied the "neo" prefix to their comrades who broke ranks to become more conservative in the 1960s and 70s. The defectors remained more liberal on some domestic policy issues. But foreign policy stands have always defined neoconservatism. Where other conservatives favored dtente and containment of the Soviet Union, neocons pushed direct confrontation, which became their raison d'etre during the 1970s and 80s. Today, both conservatives and neocons favor a robust US military. But most conservatives express greater reservations about military intervention and so-called nation building. The post 9/11-campaigns against regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate that the neocons are not afraid to force regime change and reshape hostile states in the American image. Neocons believe the US must do to whatever it takes to end state-supported terrorism. For most, this means an aggressive push for democracy in the Middle East. Even after 9/11, many other conservatives, particularly in the isolationist wing, view this as an overzealous dream with nightmarish consequences. Finding a kindred spirit in President Reagan, neocons greatly influenced US foreign policy in the 1980s. But in the 1990s, neocon cries failed to spur much action. Outside of Reaganite think tanks and Israel's right-wing Likud Party, their calls for regime change in Iraq were deemed provocative and extremist by the political mainstream. With a few notable exceptions, such as President Bill Clinton's decision to launch isolated strikes at suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, their talk of preemptive military action was largely dismissed as overkill. Despite being muted by a president who called for restraint and humility in foreign affairs, neocons used the 1990s to hone their message and craft their blueprint for American power. Their forward thinking and long-time ties to Republican circles helped many neocons win key posts in the Bush administration. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 moved much of the Bush administration closer than ever to neoconservative foreign policy. Only days after 9/11, one of the top neoconservative think tanks in Washington, the Project for a New American Century, wrote an open letter to President Bush calling for regime change in Iraq. Before long, Bush, who campaigned in 2000 against nation building and excessive military intervention overseas, also began calling for regime change in Iraq. Neocons envision a world in which the United States is the unchallenged superpower, immune to threats. In the neocon dream world the entire Middle East would be democratized in the belief that this would eliminate a prime breeding ground for terrorists. In their view, the world can only achieve peace through strong US leadership backed with credible force, not weak treaties to be disrespected by tyrants. Any regime that is outwardly hostile to the US and could pose a threat would be confronted aggressively, not "appeased" or merely contained. The US military would be reconfigured around the world to allow for greater flexibility and quicker deployment to hot spots in the Middle East, as well as Central and Southeast Asia. The US would spend more on defense, particularly for high-tech, precision weaponry that could be used in preemptive strikes. It would work through multilateral institutions such as the United Nations when possible, but must never be constrained from acting in its best interests whenever necessary. |
| tinyurl.com/gj957 -> www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=aQqQPXN1i.kw&refer=asia A preemptive strike is not the monopoly of the US,'' the army said in a statement yesterday carried by the official Korea Central News Agency. North Korea's government said sanctions imposed by the US over allegations of money laundering and counterfeiting by North Korean companies are preventing the resumption of six-nation talks on the nuclear program. Talks in November ended without an agreement after negotiators in September called for a nuclear- free Korean peninsula and economic cooperation with North Korea on energy, trade and investment. The US is spreading sheer lies'' with its allegations against North Korea of counterfeiting, drug smuggling, human rights abuses and developing weapons of mass destruction, the army said, according to KCNA. South Korea is aiding in a war of aggression against fellow countrymen by allowing the Foal Eagle'' military exercise with the US to take place starting March 25 on South Korean territory, the army said. Test Firing North Korea on March 8 test-fired two short-range ground-to- ground missiles within its own territory near the Chinese border, Japan's private broadcaster NTV said on its Web site at the time. The missiles had upgraded technology that included the use of solid fuel to make transport easier and increase their accuracy, Japan's Kyodo Newswire reported last week, citing US General Burwell Bell, commander of the US forces in South Korea, as telling the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee in Washington. North Korea continues to develop a three-stage Taepodong missile, which could be operational within the next decade'' and provide the country with the capability to directly target the US, Bell said during a US Senate Armed Services Committee meeting on March 7 North Korea is preparing to field a new intermediate ballistic missile capable of easily'' reaching Okinawa, Guam and probably'' Alaska, Bell said in testimony. Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said last week North Korean short-range missiles aren't being seen as an immediate threat. The US and North Korea held talks in New York on March 7 over the freezing by the US of the assets of eight North Korean companies it implicated in helping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. |