3/15    My good friend Allen the chauvinist says "if chicks had an expiration
        date, it would be 27th bday if they're asians, 17th if they're
        latinas, 22 if they're whites. there are always exceptions, kinda
        like when you find something old in the fridge that is still edible."
        What do you guys have to say about this, that he's a crack or
        there's some agreement to that?
        \_ I say full of crap.  Women, like men, tend to get more interesting
           as they gain more experience with life and its various ups and
           downs.  If you're really only interested in women as a receptacle
           for your penis, then you get what you deserve, i.e. immaturity,
           selfishness and an inability to form any lasting emotional
           connection with your partner.
        \_ I say you're trolling.
        \_ I know you're trolling, but I'll add this: in Japan, they say that
           women who are 25 and unmarried are Christmas Cakes (i.e., eat soon
           or they'll go stale); a woman who's not married by 31 is sometimes
           referred to as New Year's Eve Cake (i.e., past the eat-by date).
           Of course, Japan is notoriously chauvinistic.
           \_ Can we stop generalizing so much and be a little more specific?
              Slavic women become giant beasts around 26!
        \_ I pity your friend.  His statement makes it sound like he has a
           history of dating sorry, broken women.  Then again, kickass, whole
           women generally don't waste their time chauvinists like your
           friend. -dans
           \_ Wait, dans aren't you dating some 20 year old girl because
              only someone that young is naive enough to put up with your shit?
              \_ I think you're off by +2 years
              \_ No, I'm dating someone who I respect, and who is, to name a
                 few qualities I like about her in no particular order, smart,
                 fun, sensitive, mature, and drop-dead gorgeous.  She happens
                 to be a month shy of 20.  Since you've probably never dated,
                 me, you wouldn't know that the amount of shit I bring to a
                 relationship is fairly low compared to the population at
                 large, and I am completely open, honest, and up front about
                 it.  As my grandmother says, ``Everyone has baggage.''  A
                 healthy relationship is one where all parties are honest
                 about their baggage, and willing to help one another with
                 their burdens when necessary. -dans
                 to be a woman who is one month shy of 20.  Since you've
                 probably never dated, me, you wouldn't know that the amount
                 of shit I bring to a relationship is fairly low compared to
                 the population at large, and I am completely open, honest,
                 and up front about it.  As my grandmother says, ``Everyone
                 has baggage.''  A healthy relationship is one where all
                 parties are honest about their baggage, and willing to help
                 one another with their burdens when necessary. -dans
                 \_ wait til you're older and 19 looks like a child.  you'll
                    find it hard to think of _any_ 19 y/old as mature.
                    maturity is relative.  no offense meant, just a comment
                    on life.
                    \_ Do you know how old dans is?
                       \_ no clue but obviously not old enough for a 19 y/old
                          to look like a baby yet.
                          \_ The term you are looking for is sour grapes. -dans
                             \_ Uh, no.  Been there, done that.  19 y/olds now
                                look like babies to me.  hint: I'm *not* 26
                                for a while now, but to the person who asked
                                if I knew how old dans is, ok now I know, what
                                about it?  Did you mean that at 26 I should
                                think of him as older and mature or that I
                                should understand that 19 can look mature to
                                a 26 y/old?
                       \_ Amusingly, as long as I've known dans, he's
                          pretty much only dated 19 year olds. -jrleek
                          \_ jrleek is correct.  I've often wondered why this
                             is the case, but, at present, have no complaints.
                             -dans
                             \_ Did you mark a day on the calendar for this
                                one?  Isn't she 20 next month?  Got another
                                one lined up?  ;-)
                    \_ I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  Maturity is a function of
                       experience.  Age allows you to formulate an upper bound
                       on experience, but equating the two is a bad idea.
                       Maybe you were a child at 19.  I had a lot of
                       responsibilities thrust on me at a young age.  As a
                       consequence, I really had my shit together by the time
                       I was 19.  I co-founded a company, pitched to well
                       known VC's and executives of major corporations by the
                       time I was 20.  I'm 26 now.  Have I learned a lot since
                       I was 19?  Sure.  Was I immature when I was 19?  No.
                       -dans

                       \_ You mis-read what I said.  I'm saying that from my
                          current age 19 y/olds look like babies.  I see them
                          in the malls, at the movies, etc, and just shake my
                          head that I once slept with anything that young and
                          thought of them as anything but children.  Of course
                          I was younger then, too.  I'm glad you pitched to
                          VCs at 19 but that has pretty much nothing to do
                          with social maturity or looking like a baby to
                          older people.  Since we're here I'm now somewhat
                          curious about your gf.  What has she done in her
                          life that makes her mature at that age in your
                          eyes?
        \_ I generally don't even look for too long at most women under 25.
           Assuming a woman keeps in shape, I've generally found that she'll
           have more poise, more taste (and less baby fat) than kids.  Yeah,
           18 year olds in bikinis are fun to look at, but that's about it.
           Also, it's been my humble experience that "older" (i.e. over 25)
           women tend to be far more at ease with themselves; maybe I just find
           self-confidence attractive.  -John
           \_ What John said.  Insecurity is a huge turnoff and a giant pain
              in the ass from a practical perspective.  Just wait until your
              insecure 22 year old girlfriend throws a fit every time you want
              to hang out with your friends or see a friend that might be
              (*gasp*) female.
           \_ Agreed.  25 seems to be the magic number.  People start
              extracting their heads from their asses about that time.
              \_ I'm 29 and my head is still lodged firmly up my ass.
        \_ Younger women are great if you just want a roll in the hay.
           They usually have better bodies, anyway. But if you are looking
           for a serious relationship, older women are a better bet.
           \_ My experiance has been that people (men and women) just get
              better in bed at least up till late 20s.  What's that quote
              about how everyone looks the same in the dark?