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3/2     NYT chart showing housing price trends over the years:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/business/01leonhardt.html
        Also, article about how a downtrend in prices can actually
        help homeowners trade up (like I was talking about the other day):
        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/business/01leonhardt_side.html
          \_thanks for the link, I'm trying to convince my wife we should
            move she is reluctant, I sent her there link.  This may be even
            more apt around here where some cheaper neighborhoods actually
            have not been declining, but nicer areas like rockridge have.
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www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/business/01leonhardt.html
Biography In New York, inflation-adjusted prices dropped almost a third in less than a decade. The fall was even worse in Los Angeles, and it wasn't pretty in Boston, San Francisco or Washington, either. Thousands of families were forced into much smaller homes. Many have never lived as well as they did in those giddy pre-crash years. It was a painful preview of what the dot-com meltdown of 2000 would bring. You think I just made up those numbers about plummeting house values? The median house price in the New York area fell 12 percent from 1988 to 1995, which is nearly 33 percent in inflation-adjusted terms. If anything, the drop in prices allowed a lot of families to buy their first house or trade up to one that they never could have afforded in the 1980's. You may know one or two people like this, and they probably still annoy you by bragging about the great deal they got. Now it looks as if we might be about to go through it all again. Houses are taking longer to sell, and sales of new homes are falling. But instead of panicking, most homeowners should be taking a deep breath. The real estate slump of 2006 offers a fresh chance to puncture the No. The myth is good for real estate agents, but it creates needless anxiety for everyone else. It's time that most of us learned to stop worrying and love the bursting bubble. The bad news is that a big part of the country's economic policy has been built on the myth. THE best way to think about the value of your house at least in the short term might be to compare it to Monopoly money. Having a big pile of it feels good, but you can't really spend it. As long as you are living in the house, you have no way to lock in your gains. Yes, you can borrow against those gains, but new debt is not exactly found money. And when you move, odds are that you will go someplace that has a real estate market very much like yours. Whatever profit you make you will just plow back into a new home. This is why the housing boom of the last decade, unlike the dot-com frenzy, has not made many people rich. But do you know anyone who retired at age 35 after selling her condo in San Francisco? Obviously, there are exceptions people who do have a very real stake in the short-term value of their house. The same goes for anyone about to move to a much smaller house. Worst off would be the families who have borrowed heavily against their homes. For them, a price drop could erase all of their equity, leaving them with no money for a down payment when they move. But the victims of a moderate price decline don't come close to making up a majority of Americans. At most, 10 percent of households are so leveraged that their mortgage debt equals at least nine-tenths of their home's value, Mr Zandi said. Compare this with the more than 30 percent of families that don't own a home and clearly have nothing to gain from further price increases. Or all the young families that hope to move sometime soon into a house that's larger, and more expensive, than their current one. So there is a good argument that society has a compelling interest in keeping house prices from getting too high. Reasonable prices allow young, middle-class families to buy a house without going into too much debt. It pushes up home prices by handing out $80 billion a year in subsidies for home ownership, mainly through the mortgage interest deduction. People who get that deduction love it, for the same reason that any of us would love a government policy that sent us a few thousand dollars every year. It overwhelmingly benefits well-off families who would buy a home even if it didn't exist. About 70 percent of tax filers get nothing from the deduction, in large part because many don't make enough money to itemize their tax returns. Consider that other countries without the deduction, like Australia and Britain, have home ownership rates just as high as this country does. A more sensible policy would use the $80 billion in a way that helped people much more than artificially high house prices do by expanding health insurance, say, or cutting taxes across the board. In fact, a tax panel appointed by President Bush recently called for the mortgage deduction to be replaced by a smaller and fairer tax break. Unfortunately, Mr Bush shows no interest in getting behind his own panel's ideas. He seems more inclined to listen to the National Association of Realtors, which has warned that reducing the mortgage deduction would surely cause house prices to fall. To which the rest of us should say: And what's so bad about that?
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www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/business/01leonhardt_side.html
DAVID LEONHARDT Published: March 1, 2006 The idea is a difficult one to grasp: that a decline in your house value can help you, as long as you're moving to a more expensive house in a similar real-estate market. Imagine that a family lives in a three-bedroom house that would have sold last summer for $500,000. It wants to move to a four-bedroom house that was worth $700,000 at the time. But the members of this family didn't sell it last summer. They sold it this summer - and by then, the housing market had fallen 10 percent. We'll say that they still had $200,000 due on their mortgage, allowing them to clear $250,000 on the sale. The price of the house they were moving to also fell 10 percent. After paying off the mortgage, the family had to come up with an additional $380,000 (that is, $630,000 minus $250,000). Now consider what would have happened if prices hadn't fallen. They would have gotten $500,000 for their old house and cleared $300,000 after paying off the mortgage. The new house would cost $700,000, forcing them to come up with an additional $400,000 to make the move. In a down market, remember, they had to come up with only $380,000. "It's a funny thing," Thomas Z Lys, a real estate professor at Northwestern University. "You're poorer but the thing you really want has gotten cheaper." If closing costs were included, the price fall would have helped the family even more. Real-estate agents charge a percentage of a house's sale price for their service. The more expensive your house is, the more money you have to give to the agent.