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2006/2/28-3/2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42025 Activity:low
2/28    http://csua.org/u/f3r (Wash Post)
        Over 1,300 Iraqis dead in last weak.  It's okay, because they're
        probably mostly Sunnis / Baathist hold-outs.
        \_ Over 1,300 Americans dead in the last we*e*k as well.  And?
           \_ Bad troll.  No cookie.
              \_ It isn't a troll.  It is making a point about the op's post.
                 People die.  It happens.  More than 1300 Americans died in
                 this country just last week.  And?  What is the point of
                 the op post?  Thus, "And?"  If op had a point, they should
                 have made one.  OP is the troll here.
                 \_ You're either stupid or trolling.  That 1300 is because of
                    violent protests/clashes after the bombing of the mosque
                    in Samarrah.  OP is either sarcastic or stupid, which is
                    a step above you.
                    \_ Calm down and read the post again.  Note that the
                       poster does not mention *where* the Americans in question
                       died.   Most of them died of old age in their beds in the
                       U.S., presumably. -!pp
                       \_ That's exactly the fucking point, and exactly why that
                          poster is either a troll or stupid..  God, who's
                          putting lithium in the berkeley water supply?
                       \_ OMG, good point!  We're all going to die someday
                          so it doesn't matter if someone kills me!  You
                          just blew my mind!
                 \_ 1300 certainly did not die because of violent crime.
                    The point is that the Bush Administration is lying to
                    us (again) by minimizing the violence.
        \_ Ethnic cleansing - it's okay!
           \_ Darfur is ethnic cleansing.  You're clueless and knee jerk.
              \_ No, I'm making fun of the asshat that thinks 1300 deaths is
                 "okay."
                 \_ I think he was being sarcastic.  No deaths are "ok" but
                    people die.  How/why they died is more important than the
                    number.
                    \_ Okay, how's this?  Imagine if 16,000 Americans had died
                       in the last two days because the Italians and the Irish
                       in New York had decided to start killing each other.
                       Would that be "ok?"  I think the thrust of the article
                       is that far more people died over the weekend than
                       most media had been reporting.  Sadly it takes a certain
                       death "threshold" to get media attention these days,
                       as we seem to have gotten used to Iraq being a total
                       clusterfuck (along with most other things our
                       government is doing these days).
                       \_ If it bleeds, it leads.  You won't find me defending
                          the media but frankly what's going on in Iraq is
                          actually pretty minor compared to many situation in
                          both the distant and very recent past as well as
                          *right now* in several parts of the world.  I'm much
                          more disgusted at all the other things the media
                          ignores than their Iraq coverage.  Most people can't
                          even tell you that Darfur isn't a new brand of beer
                          or an ice cream flavor.
                             \- Darfur is trivial compared to the toll of
                                malaria. So was the tsunami. There is more
                                to it than "if it bleeds it leads" and
                                the 1300 is just a small chapter of the
                                overall iraq story.
                                \_ What?  You think the tsunami wasn't
                                   covered or we're not pumping enough
                                   cash into malaria/insect control?  And
                                   you think an act of god is worse than
                                   one people enslaving and wiping out
                                   another race with intent and malice?
                                   No.  You're just a lame troll.  D-
                                   \- i'm not trolling. my point is the that
                                      significant of a story isnt just a
                                      matter of the casualty numbers. darfur
                                      is being convered a fair amount. not
                                      much is being done about it but the
                                      coverage is there. there are a lot of
                                      aspects to the malaria story ... how
                                      foreign aid dollars for public health
                                      are spent, the stupidity of DDT usage
                                      policy etc. it is interesting to note
                                      the difference in casaulaty counts in
                                      ex-yugoslavia where the US led sig
                                     intervention and conflicts in africa
                                     with much higher casualty counts where
                                     nothing was done.
                          \_ Good point -- we'd better just sit back and let
                             them kill each other until the butcher's bill is
                             at least as bad as some of those other places.
                             Right.  Thanks for the insight, there, Tex.
                             \_ Good way to completely and intentionally miss
                                the point.
                                \_ Thanks.
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