2/27 http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/06/pf/college/professor_pay/index.htm
I'm making more than my professors! HAHAHA! Proof that academia
is for suckers.
\_ As I recall, CS professors make a LOT more than that. The
100s of useless English PhDs are throwing off the numbers.
\_ Indeed. I know physics profs at top, well-funded research
schools can start out at over 100k, when they're assistant
profs.
\_ Well, they have tenure. See you in New Dehli.
\- The Chronicle WEEB site had the list of the compensation
of a lot of the top paid University staff ... most of the
big $$$ were medical school faculty and CS/Engineering profs
but strangely Vaugn Jones was one of the top paid profs.
Also, this doesnt factor in a lot of perqs like number of
hours expected, outside consulting income, jobs for spouses,
sabbaticals, travel opportunities etc.
\_ Professors usually make a lot more through, as you
say, outside consulting income. They also receive perks
like free travel to conferences, free computers, and
so on. I know that at Caltech, for instance, certain
well-compensated faculty receive use of Caltech
facilities, which can include university-owned housing.
Even at Cal the Chancellor gets use of a house. At
Caltech (at least 8 years ago) tenured faculty often
received $400K interest-free to buy a house with the
condition that they split profits proportionally with
Caltech when/if they sell the property (and pay back the
$400K) I know one particular professor received $1M
interest-free for housing when he took an offer at Caltech.
This is their way of retaining faculty in an expensive place
like California. Certain individuals receive large bonuses,
large payments to their retirement plans, free medical for
life, and so on. There's a lot more to compensation than
mere salary.
\_ Vaughn Jones is one of the top paid profs because he's a
fucking Fields Medalist. Winning the Mathematical equivalent
of the Nobel Prize when it's not even awarded every year is a
big deal. I imagine UCB's Turing award winners are similarly
compensated. -dans
\- yes i know VFJ is a Field's Medalist. I also know
the other fields medalists and nobels and turing
award winners are nowhere close by in the compensation
list. the highly compensated people in CS were people
list (i do not recall what year borchards and mcmullen
left). the highly compensated people in CS were people
like patterson, not KAHAN. BTW, the 2006 FM should be
interesting because of the uncertainty over the age
of that strange russian fellow. see wall discussion etc.
also there are some giant figures here much more famous
than the "avg" fields medalist, e.g. CHERN. i think
the fields medalists may be better compensated by the
university than econ nobels or turing award winners
because they have less scope for outside income
possibly. actually after some thought, my guess
is somebody tried to capture VFJ [as with CMCMULLEN
and say PSCHULTZ] and UCB managed to hold on to him
[unlike CMCMULLEN, PSCHULTZ].
because they have sless scope for outside income
possibly.
\_ Compensation for faculty is largely set by
hiring and retention cases. So the faculty who are
most highly paid probably got that way by getting
a lucrative offer from Harvard/MIT/Stanford and
getting Cal to match it. -tom
\_ Clearly VFJ is a better negotiator than those other
Field's Medalists. -dans
\_ Which is different from "Vaughn Jones is one of
the top paid profs because he's a fucking Fields
Medalist." And the question still remains, do
the compensation numbers significantly miss some
of the accomodations to faculty ... maybe one guy
got a spouse hire in lieu of +40k to salary."
And why did VFJ beat superstars in say English
[this was post-GREENBLATT leaving, also post
[this was post-GREENBLATT leaving, alswo post
KARP etc.]
\_ Sciences bring in money, and English doesn't.
When a top science research prof brings in a 5
million dollar grant the University taxes that
at something on the order of 50%, in addition to
\- believe it or not, at a research university a
50% burden is pretty good. isnt harvard's
burden around 80%? also i am aware of this,
however somebody like GREENBLATT [or stanley
FISH] are special cases, in case you are not
familar with them. and this is also nicely
seen on small scale ... like people who work
on practical stuff liek microprocessors
[PATTERSON] vs airy fairy theory people.
the tuition that they charge the grad students
which gets paid out of the PI's grant.
I would also claim that science benefits society
and creates new ideas, whereas academic English
"scholarship" does neither. Obviously this is
subjective, but I'm clealy not the only one who
thinks this way, and that is reflectded in
salaries.
\_ A society is more than the flashy gadgets it
creates. If we don't support the arts then
we're nothing as a people.
\_ I couldn't agree more. The fact that you
automatically equate university English
"scholars" with the arts is laughable,
however. They're not writing novels, they're
cranking out endless unreadable academic
shit that no one but themselves will ever
read, and that has no bearing on real
\- well not everybody is a JUDITH BUTLER.
for example an associate of mine did
his phd in the english dept here
ostensibly on HFIELDING but wrote a
bunch on the history and develoment
of copyright [since you need some
protection for to make writing a career
your could make money at] and he now
teaches in at HLS. so some of this is
actually interesting work which touches
real world issues and isnt just trendy
inscrutable humanities nonsense. of
course he was sort of a rockstar here
and the other eng phd i've met writing
on thrid rate authors would be serve
society better plugging holes in dikes/
dykes.
writing. Their role as teachers is
extremely important to society, but that
always comes second at a school like
Berkeley.
\_ A second quartile science/engineer is more
likely to produce something of value than
a second quartile medival historian. This
is why an avg engineer gets $100k say for
his dayjob and an avg musician needs a
dayjob.
\_ I had no idea that being a prof was such a poorly paid job.
I'm glad I choose law skool over grad skool.
\- I'm glad I chose CS. --mstonebraker
\_ FYI, starting salary at a Tier-1 research school (top 50) for a
9-month appointment for CS/EE fresh-PhD assistant professors is
in the $75k-80k range (so $100k-110k or so including summer
salary, which is typically part of the startup package for a
couple of years but needs to be covered by the professor's
research grants in the long term). Benefits are typically very
good compared to industry, but of course no stock options.
\_ There are plenty of Cal professors who have become filthy stinking
like Prof. Brewer *cough*__/
rich during the .com boom. So there are lots of side benefits.
Haven't you ever had Hilfinger talk about being an expert witness,
talking on the phone for a few hours and making a killing? |
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