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| 2006/2/15-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:41878 Activity:high |
2/15 New Torture images from Abu Ghirab released
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15
(warning, not for the faint of heart)
\_ Yet not one picture of these 'cartoons'?
\_ Um, heard of google?
\_ In how many major publications are the cartoons?
\_ curious about the timing, though. why they release it now?
\_ Some Aussie publishers were probably getting jealous that
the US image in the middle east wasn't being tarnished as
much by the European caricature fallout, so they decided to
"correct" this situation.
\_ The ACLU just won a FOIA challange.
\_ The liberal media can't stand Muslims looking like
barbarians, so they want to remind everyone the US is
worse.
\_ both muslims and US are barbarians.
\_ Only great han nation not barbarian.
\_ Everyone is a barbarian, only great GERMAN HANS
JOHN not barbarian. HEIL JOHN!
\_ indians are not barbarians either. very
civilized country.
\_ Unless you are in the wrong caste.
\_ caste is slowly disappearing in india,
whereas social mobility has been getting
worse in the US the last 2 decades.
\_ Are you talking out of your ass or do you
have reputable research that support
your statement?
\_ I read. try to do the same, or if
that's beyond your mental capacity,
you can always use google as your
brain.
\_ I read. you can always use google.
\_ If you don't like it then get the fuck
out of my country !williamc
\_ i am just stating facts reported
by the wsj. no need to get all
flustered.
\_ Repeat this five times to yourself,
perhaps in front of a mirror, and
you'll realize how stupid this sounds.
\_ this whole thread is stupid,
especially starting from the "liberal
media" part. yea, and the knee jerk
"caste!" reaction whenever india is
mentioned sure is intelligent. you
should look in the mirror yourself.
\_ Civilized nations don't have castes
in the 21st century, slowly
disappearing or not. It's disingenuous
to ignore that hideous aspect of
Hindu culture. "Look in the
mirror" indeed.
\_ Civilized nations also don't
torture people.
\_ I disagree. Besides, the
treatment of one's enemy
is quite different from
treatment of one's own people.
\_ yea sure, the Hutus didn't
kill their own either.
They only butchered the
Tutsis. So very
civilized.
\_ Do you have a point with
that comment? I'm sure
Pakistanis are treated
well in Kashmir, right?
\_ Do you have a point
with that comment?
Regardless of what
happens in Kashmir,
you are still as
civilized as a
baboon.
\_ The treatment of ones
enemy is the clearest
indication of ones
worth.
I also fail to see how
you can compare the
caste system to torture.
What do you even know
about the caste system?
Did you know that most
brahmins were/are dirt
poor and depended on
poor and depend on
begging and handouts to
support themselves?
\- um this isnt true in any
meaningful way.
\_ My experience
indicates that
it is. We can
disagree, but
the domination
of the brahmins
is in my exp.
a grotesque
exaggeration of
the so-called
backwards com-
munities.
When one sees the plight
of the majority of the
"high born" one wonders
whether it is not a
curse, rather than a
blessing.
\_ Tell em to get jobs like
everyone else.
\_ Why not? What exactly is the
problem your perceive w/ the
caste system? That your birth
problem you have w/ the caste
system? That your birth
precludes you from becoming a
hindu priest? For, in reality,
that is the ONLY restriction
which caste places on a man.
hindu priest? In reality that
is the ONLY restriction that
caste places on a man.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040113/asp/nation/story_2780541.asp _/
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1
\_ What does this have to do w/ the caste system?
Those who act in this way do so w/ a completely
incorrect understanding of the caste system.
The caste system classifies men into certain
stations based primarily on their conduct, not
on their birth. Those who committed these crimes
have no claim to any caste.
To point to such people as the true and proper
illustration of the caste system would be akin
to pointing to hamas terrorists as the true and
proper illustration of Islam or cross-buring KKK
members as true and proper Christians.
\_ The stuff in those links reflects on India and this is a thread
where somebody claimed India is extra civilized.
\_ wait. what does this has to do with whether US and muslims
are barbarians?
\_ I think someone here is in denial. |
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| www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=20656&s2=15 New images of Abu Ghraib abuse aired February 15, 2006 An Australian television network aired previously unpublished video and photographs on Wednesday of what it said was the abuse of Iraqis in US military custody at Abu Ghraib prison in 2003, including a man beating his head against a cell door. The images of naked prisoners, some bloodied and lying on the floor, were taken about the same time as earlier photos that sparked protests and outrage in the Middle East in 2004, the Special Broadcasting Services' "Dateline" programme reported. SBS refused to give details on the source of the photos and video clips but said they were among those the American Civil Liberties Union was trying to obtain from the US government under a Freedom of Information request. Several new images broadcast appeared to show former Cpl Charles Graner, Jr, who is serving a 10-year prison term at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, after being convicted of abusing Iraqi captives. The authenticity of the images shown by SBS could not be independently confirmed, but they were consistent with the earlier photographs of abuse by American soldiers, which prompted a US congressional investigation and military trials for some soldiers involved. Many of the images were more graphic than those previously published, including some showing what appear to be corpses of people who SBS said had died at the prison. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he did not know whether US officials had reviewed the photos and video clips or whether they were among images the Pentagon has been withholding from public release since 2004. p=20656 :: The views expressed in this article are the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of Uruknet . COMMENTS BY REGISTERED READERS OF URUKNET The underneath postings are under the only responsability of the authors, and not necessarily we agree with them. If someone feels that any comment contains pornographic or racist expressions, or contents contrary to the law, let us know and - if our legal office confirms - it will removed asap. Autodeter- minazione e resistenza irakena di Aldo Bernardini, Ordinario di Diritto internazionale all'Universita di Teramo :: ONU - XX Assemblea Generale (1965): La XX Assemblea Generale dellONU (1965) dichiara "la legittimita della lotta da parte dei popoli sotto oppressione coloniale, per esercitare il loro diritto all' autodeter- minazione e all'indipendenza". Inoltre, l'Assemblea invita "tutti gli Stati a fornire assistenza morale e materiale ai movimenti di liberazione nazionale nei territori coloniali". in virtu di tale diritto essi devono liberamente determinare il loro status politico e liberamente perseguire il loro sviluppo economico, sociale e culturale". We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 USC Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. |
| www.telegraphindia.com/1040113/asp/nation/story_2780541.asp Email This Page Veil ripped off honour killings MONOBINA GUPTA New Delhi, Jan. Already tainted by increasing incidence of female foeticide, now they have activists crying foul over honour killings in the states. Not just in Punjab and Haryana, but in western Uttar Pradesh as well, women are being put to death if they violate the honour of their family and community by marrying a person outside her own caste, community or religion. And the government does not even want to acknowledge it, said All India Democratic Womens Association (Aidwa) general secretary Brinda Karat. The Aidwa is organising a seminar in the capital where the victims of violence will speak of their experiences. Though women are the primary targets in honour killings, young men who dare to transgress the social boundaries of caste, sub-caste and religion are sometimes not spared. According to Aidwa, 10 per cent of murders in Punjab and Haryana are honour killings. In a single district of Muzaffarnagar (in Uttar Pradesh), there were as many as 13 honour killings in the first nine months of 2003. In 2002, it was 10 while 35 couples were declared missing, an organisation report says. Aidwa points out that in cases involving couples from upper castes, there is always an effort to save the young man. The woman from the same caste, however, will be killed for destroying the honour of the family and community, the report says. The violence against the couple, particularly the woman, takes various forms. Caste panchayats patronised by all political parties deliver the sentence, which is usually nothing short of murder. For example, the panchayat and the family can force the persons concerned to drink poison or sexually assault the women members of the family of the accused, the Aidwa report says. Even if life is spared, there are other forms of humiliation. Often the offending couple is beaten black and blue in full public glare, sometimes they are forced to have urine and excreta, and on top of all this, there can be social boycott of the family. They could be driven out of the villages or asked to cough up huge fines, says the report. In Pakistan, the scale of honour killings has forced the government and the human rights agencies to speak out. In fact, President Pervez Musharraf has threatened stern action against those who abet or execute honour killings. According to a non-government report, more than a thousand honour killings take place in Pakistan every year. |
| magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1 -> magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1/ Discrimination against India's lowest Hindu castes is technically illegal. But try telling that to the 160 million Untouchables, who face violent reprisals if they forget their place. Get a taste of what awaits you in print from this compelling excerpt. The sins of Girdharilal Maurya are many, his attackers insisted. Why else would he, like his ancestors, be born an Untouchable, if not to pay for his past lives? Look, he is a leatherworker, and Hindu law says that working with animal skins makes him unclean, someone to avoid and revile. Who does this Untouchable think he is, buying a small plot of land outside the village? Then he dared speak up, to the police and other authorities, demanding to use the new village well. One night, while Maurya was away in a nearby city, eight men from the higher Rajput caste came to his farm. They broke his fences, stole his tractor, beat his wife and daughter, and burned down his house. The message was clear: Stay at the bottom where you belong. Embedded in Indian culture for the past 1,500 years, the caste system follows a basic precept: All men are created unequal. The ranks in Hindu society come from a legend in which the main groupings, or varnas, emerge from a primordial being. From the mouth come the Brahmans--the priests and teachers. From the arms come the Kshatriyas--the rulers and soldiers. From the thighs come the Vaisyas--merchants and traders. Each varna in turn contains hundreds of hereditary castes and subcastes with their own pecking orders. A fifth group describes the people who are achuta, or untouchable. Untouchables are outcasts--people considered too impure, too polluted, to rank as worthy beings. Prejudice defines their lives, particularly in the rural areas, where nearly three-quarters of India's people live. Untouchables are shunned, insulted, banned from temples and higher caste homes, made to eat and drink from separate utensils in public places, and, in extreme but not uncommon cases, are raped, burned, lynched, and gunned down. Although the Indian constitution makes caste discrimination illegal, Untouchables living at the bottom of society are subjected to indignities and atrocities. How can outsiders help Untouchables in their fight against oppression? Dalit, a term that has become synonymous with Untouchable, is the name that many Untouchables, especially politically aware individuals, have chosen for themselves. The name means "oppressed" and highlights the persecution and discrimination India's 160 million Untouchables face regularly. First used in the context of caste oppression in the 19th century, it was popularized in the 1970s by Untouchable writers and members of the revolutionary Dalit Panthers (the name was inspired by the Black Panthers of the United States). Dalit has largely come to replace Harijan, the name given to Untouchables by Gandhi, much like the Black Power movement in the United States led to the replacement of the labels colored and Negro with black. For some activists, Dalit is used to refer to all of India's oppressed peoples whether Hindus, Muslims, Christians, tribal minorities, or women. org Access a world of information on Dalits (Untouchables), Dr. B R Ambedkar, and the caste system including news reports, commentaries by Dalit scholars, online books, and essays on the Ambedkar movement. Megacities," National Geographic (November 2002), 70-99. "Splash of Color," National Geographic World (March 2002), 12-13. Ward, Geoffrey C "India: Fifty Years of Independence," National Geographic (May 1997), 2-57. "India Mosaic," National Geographic (April 1946), 442-70. |