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2006/2/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:41827 Activity:low
2/13    Yes, Virginia, the United States does engage in torture:
        http://csua.org/u/eyz
        \_ Well, yes, we know that Al Qaeda is trained in trying to make wild
           accusations and so forth
           \_ "A draft United Nations report on the detainees at Guantanamo
               Bay concludes that the U.S. treatment of them violates their
               rights to physical and mental health and, in some cases,
               constitutes torture."
              Your herring, sir, it is red.
              \_ Bullshit:
                 "The report, compiled by five U.N. envoys who interviewed
                 former prisoners, detainees' lawyers and families, and U.S.
                 officials, is the product of an 18-month investigation ordered
                 by the U.N. Commission on Human Rights. The team did not have
                 access to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay."
                 \_ Were these the UN Human Rights Commission envoys from
                    Libya, the Sudan or Zimbabwe?
                 \_ well, that was because they were invited for the official
                    GTMO tour, but denied access to the prisoners, so the
                    UN team declined to go at all
                    \_ The reasons for the results being bogus don't change the
                       fact that it's bogus.
                       \_ so the bogosity comes from the fact that the UN team
                          doesn't have damning proof, like videotape or
                          high-ranking whistleblowers with an authentic log?
           \_ Well, unfortunately, it appears that the Bush Administration
              has the same propensity. So we really need to allow a nuetral
              third party in to make observations. Too bad the Congress is
              too spineless to do its job of oversight. Maybe it will get
              more fortitude after Nov 2006.
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Large Text Size Large Text Size Change text size Report: US Is Abusing Captives A UN inquiry says the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay at times amounts to torture and violates international law. By Maggie Farley, Times Staff Writer NEW YORK -- A draft United Nations report on the detainees at Guantanamo Bay concludes that the US treatment of them violates their rights to physical and mental health and, in some cases, constitutes torture. It also urges the United States to close the military prison in Cuba and bring the captives to trial on US territory, charging that Washington's justification for the continued detention is a distortion of international law. The report, compiled by five UN envoys who interviewed former prisoners, detainees' lawyers and families, and US officials, is the product of an 18-month investigation ordered by the UN Commission on Human Rights. The team did not have access to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. 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In November, the Bush administration offered the UN team the same tour of the prison given to journalists and members of Congress, but refused the envoys access to prisoners. Nowak said he did not expect major changes to the report's conclusions and recommendations as a result of the US government's response, though there would be amendments on minor issues. JD Gordon, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said the Defense Department did not comment about UN matters. But human rights and legal advocates hope the UN's conclusions will add weight to similar findings by rights groups and the European Parliament. "I think the effect of this will be to revive concern about the government's mistreatment of detainees, and to get people to take another look at the legal basis," said Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch. "There are lots of lingering questions about how do you justify holding these people." 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