2/3 Muslims are psychos..
\_ None of the muslims I've met were psychos. I've worked very closely
with a guy who's a devout muslim for the last five years, and
"reasonable" is one of the first words I would probably use
to describe his personality. Along with "brilliant", "hard-working",
and "funny."
\_ My guess is that you've prob just never really met the truly
great ones nor even normal ones in every day life. What is
portrayed in the news will always be a biased in one way or
another.
\_ My guess is that you've prob just never really met the truly
average ones who make up the bulk of the ignorant and stupid
who are currently rioting and attacking people over a friggin
cartoon.
\_ See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm
re rioting and attacking over a cartoon.
\_ I think you're truly missing the bigger picture.
There's a reason why the majority of Arabs/Muslims
are anti-American. Although I agree that they have
a very extreme culture, they are people too and
their anger with the West is justified. How
would you like it if you're family was killed by
Americans? We just roll in there and say we're
"liberating" them, while we're bombing the crap
out of them and taking their oil. There are
just so many easy ways to see why Arabs
would hate America. But not just the Arabs. We're
making it way too easy for the rest of the world
to hate us too.
\_ Re the BBC link. I posted this to provide a
reference re 'currently rioting and attacking
people over a friggin cartoon.' I was not trying
to make a substantive point.
That said, I completely disagree that the anger
toward the West is justified. If anything, the
West (and primarily America) is the greatest
source of peace and prosperity that has every
been known in the history of mankind. Even at
its worst moments, this nation and its people
have a kind of benevolence that no other people
exhibit.
If anything the anger that motivates some in
the Islamic world is based on a historical
distrust of non-Muslim societies. The Islamic
world has has been in conflict w/ the "West"
and parts of Asia (notably India) for several
hundred yrs. The primary src of conflict is a
refusal by some Islamic sects to accept the
possibility that there are various alt. belief
systems exist by which people can live.
In the absence of such acceptance, the conflict
cannot be resolved, save by the defeat of one
side or the other. I for one pray that the West
is victorious; for all its faults, the West is
infinitely superior to Islamic rule.
\_ I agree with you about Islam vs. the West in
general, but I take issue with your claim of
America's unique benevolence. There are a lot
of benevolent peoples out there in the world.
What makes America unique is that it is a
benevolent(or at least benevolent-intending)
_world_power_.
\_ (I'm someone else). Yes, and being the world's
first benevolent world power make us even
'better' then if we were some friendly third
world nice country. It is exactly that which
makes us better. Imagine how the world would
look if Hamas had the power the West has now.
\_ this makes them different from the truly average christians
who blockade women's clinics and blame our nation's problems
on gay people how?
\_ A few thousand nut heads != a few million nut heads.
How long since you were in a math or logic class?
\_ Maybe you should ask if America is part of the
problem. Every time you bomb the crap out of an
Iraqi wedding and bomb a Arab news organization,
you create 10x more extremists. So perhaps we might
\_ This is an oft repeated but unproven statement.
Lot of bad things happen to people in lots of
countries but you don't see the victim's families
blowing themselves and other people up over it.
There is something fatally flawed in Muslim
'culture' that leads to this response and as the
weaker party in this exchange they can't hope to
ever get anything from violence except even greater
violence in return on the Shock and Awe scale.
be fueling the extremism??? HMMMMMM....
Now how about this... we go to war against them and
then make up "evidence" to try to get people to
support our war against them? Where are the WMD
that we so infamously proclaimed?
\_ Where? In Syria. I thought that was commonly
understood. Shrug. Sky? Still blue. Check.
Ask yourself this question: Why did we go into
Iraq when we did? Why did we have to go in there
\_ Out of curiosity, what is your answer to this
question?
right there and then? Did Saddam do anything crazy
to provoke this war? NO, we brought this war to
Iraq, which means we INVADED Iraq. If I were
\_ Uhm, yes, we invaded Iraq. Who called it anything
else? When a foreign army crosses a national
boundary against the government's wishes, we usually
refer to that act as an invasion, especially if it
involves thousands of aircraft and missiles dropping
bombs in concert with tanks and infantry smashing
your army. What was your point? You come across
as frantic.
Arab, I would have MANY good reasons to hate
America.
\_ LOL. A few thousand nut-heads? So I suppose that when
Bush put his gay bashing bit in the state of the union
speech right before the election, that was so he could
win a few *thousand* votes? And the massive GOP efforts
to get anti-gay resolutions on ballots accros the
country during the presidential election year were
carried out by a few "thousand" lone nut Christians
way outside the mainstream, to a appeal to a few
thousand of their fellow nuts? And the "Left Behind"
series of books about how all us non-christians will
burn in hell in the soon-to-come apocalypse, those are
all best sellers because a few "thousand" Christians
read them? Or, since you seem interested in math
and statistics, maybe the over 50% of the approximately
290 million people in the U.S. who believe the Earth
was created 6000 years ago exactly as described in the
Old Testament, maybe that number is a few thousand as
well.
\_ When all those "evul xtians"(tm) start blowing shit
up and killing people over cartoons or maybe a jar
of piss with a holy symbol in it, you can come back
here and tell us about it and get taken seriously.
Until such time, your comparison of wide scale
culturally encouraged terrorism to some nutters
outside abortion clinics once a month & their odd yet
harmless non-scientific origin beliefs is simply
stupid. I understand your find "evul xtians"(tm)
scarier than a billion people "Far Far Away"(c) who
want you dead but some of us see the larger picture
outside the confines of the ivory ring around
Berkeley.
\_ Umm, I think the reason why they are terrorizing
us is because they don't want to see us
\_ We already have succeeded.
succeed. They want to make sure that we don't
profit from their oil. Obviously they don't
\_ Profit? They profit, we lose, everytime I
fill my tank or turn on a light.
\_ Real American patriots RIDE BIKE!
have a resources to launch a full-scale invasion
against us, so they do what they can to cause
chaos in our areas of interest. If we never
went into Iraq, I doubt Al-Quaida would be there.
\_ AQ was already there. They're an inter-
national terrorist organisation with members
in every country on the planet. Iraq is the
only place they didn't have anyone? Ok....
\_ Did I say anything remotely positive about the
Evil Muslim Hordes out there who want to
destroy America? No, I didn't. I agree
that they are a far far greater danger to our
civilization than the drooling fucks in Red
State America, but that doesn't mean they can't
both be threats to our civilization.
\_ When you're comparing the puppy across the
street who ate your lollipop to the pillaging
hordes setting fire to everything just past
the stop sign it is hard to take you
seriously. Whines about evul xtians don't
belong in a discussion about which of our
neighbors may or may not be card carrying
Evil Horde members, blazing pitch torches
and all. Your dismissing of half the country
as "drolling fucks in Red State America"
doesn't lend any weight to anything you have
to say either. Here's a quote for you to
think about for a while, "If we love our
country, we should also love our countrymen".
I think you're close minded, ignorant,
mildly retarded, and terribly confused, but
I don't think you're completely hopeless yet.
Drop the hatred thing and stop worrying your
self about silly shit like what the reasonably
harmless xtians are doing and you'll see more
clearly where the real threats to your future
are.
\_ Even if one accepts you premise that the ave. Christian
blockades abortion clinics and blames nat'l problems on
gays, it is fairly tame behavior compared to rioting,
car-bombings, suicide bombings, &c. Even the loonies who
listen to Pat Robertson, et. al. don't go around actually
blowing up abortions clinics on a DAILY basis. Other than
the IRA I can't actually think of a group w/ predominantly
Christian membership that actively uses terrorism.
NOTE: I have worked w/ numerous muslims over the years,
and they were all uniformly nice, decent people.
\_ Ditto about the nice, decent thing. The muslims I
know almost uniformly were resigned and frustrated
about muslim nutjobs. That said, there is such an
amazing number of individuals in the umma preaching
or apologizing for violence for a number of reasons
that it's hard to ignore. That, and I find it
absolutely fucking repugnant that the US state dept.
issues a statement condemning a bunch of cartoons, no
matter how offensive they may be to someone. They
should be screaming bloody murder about freedom of
the press--have we no pride left? Guess not. -John
\_ Didn't the whitehouse make an official statement
against Team America?
\_ Touche. -John
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