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2/1 Why can't we use the Army to stop these border incursions?
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060117-121930-3169r.htm
Oh that's right, someone sent it all to Iraq. My bad.
\_ Obviously you don't know the law very well. And you don't know
anything about the military troop strengths either. Put down
that latte and consider being selfless for once.
\_ I don't know much about military troop strengths. But as far
as the law is concerned, isn't it okay to use US military to
defend the US border against foreign military? Is law even an
issue here? --- !OP
\_ I agree with you. that is why I have always proposed build
a Berlin Wall across Mexicon/US border, equipped with
land mines, search lights and machine gun towers. A side
effect of this wall would be that it will *FORCE* American
to think about how much of our economy is actually depend
upon those illegal immigrants... after the fact that our
agriculture, hotel, and other industry start to feel the
effect of such wall!!
\_ The issue here is about incursions by Mexicans in military
uniforms and Humvees with guns, not the average illegal
immigrants.
uniforms and armed Humvees, not the average illegal
immigrants. (Unless you're saying since the Mexican
military support our economy by buying Humvees, we have to
let them intrude our border.)
\_ Please find a non-Moonie reference to the Mexican
army being inside our borders. -tom
\_ http://csua.org/u/evj (Yahoo! News)
'EL PASO, Texas - It wasn't just Mexican military-
style uniforms that suspected drug runners were
wearing when they were confronted by Texas lawmen,
the Hudspeth County sheriff says.
The men carried Mexican military-issue weapons and
drove a military Humvee, said Arvin West, whose
officers who were involved in the standoff.
"It was military," he said Friday. "Due to the
pending congressional hearings I can't comment
further."'
Of course this claim is up for verification, but it
shows what the issue is.
\_ Heh. You'd never see this if all you read is
the NYT.
\_ http://tinyurl.com/7ho7g (NYTimes)
\_ Here's something a little more solid than the AP
article:
http://csua.org/u/evk (latimes.com)
Heavily armed personnel in a military-style Humvee
from Mexico helped drug smugglers fleeing police to
escape back across the border, according to
authorities. An internal Border Patrol summary of
the incident said the Humvee was equipped with a
.50-caliber machine gun. ...
"'It's clear you're dealing with a large number of
incursions by bona-fide Mexican military units,
based on the tactics and the equipment being used,'
said T.J. Bonner, a Border Patrol veteran and
president of the agents union.
Corrupt police or military? The lead to the article
says "Mexican government personnel".
\_ Because they occasionally kill shepherds and make the US look dumb.
http://www.dpft.org/hernandez/gallery
\_ Why don't we use the army to take out the Moonies?
\_ I am pretty sure that would be a violation of the Posse
Comitatus act.
\_ That's crap! Moonies are wild, untamed! |
| www.washtimes.com/national/20060117-121930-3169r.htm Add To Insider Newsclips A US border patrol helicopter flies near the border city of Piedras Negras, Mexico. A US border patrol helicopter flies near the border city of Piedras Negras, Mexico. The warning asks the agents to report the size, activity, location, time and equipment of any units observed. It also cautions agents to keep "a low profile," to use "cover and concealment" in approaching the Mexican units, to employ "shadows and camouflage" to conceal themselves and to "stay as quiet as possible." Border Patrol spokesman Salvador Zamora confirmed that a "military incursion" warning was given to Tucson agents, but said it was designed to inform them how to react to any sightings of military and foreign police in this country and how to properly document any incursion. Mr Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs." He said US military units also have crossed mistakenly into Mexico. But Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, denied that Mexican military personnel are crossing into the United States. "I strongly deny any incursions by the Mexican military as inaccurate allegations," Mr Laveaga said. "The Mexican military is a well-respected institution with strict rules on how to control Northern Mexico. It maintains a protocol of not going within a mile of the border, and those who would trespass would be severely punished." Mr Laveaga said some drug smugglers headed "both north and south" wear uniforms and drive military-type vehicles, and might have "confused" US authorities. "Give me a break," said TJ Bonner, a 27-year Border Patrol veteran who heads the National Border Patrol Council. "Intrusions by the Mexican military to protect drug loads happen all the time and represent a significant threat to the agents. "Why else would they be in the area, firing at federal agents in the United States? There is no other explanation," said Mr Bonner, whose organization represents all 10,000 of the nonsupervisory Border Patrol agents. "If the border is so poorly marked, why don't the thousands of Border Patrol agents working 24/7 along it ever seem to get lost, and none of us have been issued a GPS," he said. |
| csua.org/u/evj -> news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060128/ap_on_re_us/border_incident_5 AP Mexico Army Likely Part of Border Incident By ALICIA A CALDWELL, Associated Press Writer Sat Jan 28, 4:41 AM ET EL PASO, Texas - It wasn't just Mexican military-style uniforms that suspected drug runners were wearing when they were confronted by Texas lawmen, the Hudspeth County sheriff says. click here The men carried Mexican military-issue weapons and drove a military Humvee, said Arvin West, whose officers who were involved in the standoff. "Due to the pending congressional hearings I can't comment further." West said the determination that the equipment was military-issue came from the federal government, but he would not elaborate. A US Army spokesman said he could not confirm West's statement, and the Mexican Foreign Relations Department said it would have no comment. The Mexican government has denied that any soldiers were involved in the standoff Monday in a remote spot along the Rio Grande in West Texas. The smugglers escaped back across the border without a shot fired, abandoning more than a half-ton of marijuana as they fled. Mexican officials have said the uniforms and other equipment could have been stolen. voting record), R-Texas, and other officials have said they will seek hearings investigating such border incursions. US Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar, in El Paso Friday, said he could not rule out Mexican soldiers' involvement in the standoff at Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso. In Mexico, kidnappers and drug smugglers regularly wear police gear, which is sold at street stands. On Thursday, Mexico's foreign relations secretary suggested the smugglers may have been US soldiers or American criminals disguised as Mexican troops. Aguilar said he has spoken with his Mexican counterparts and was assured that an intense investigation is under way in Mexico. A California newspaper reported this month that Mexican military units had crossed into the United States 216 times since 1996. Michael Chertoff has said many of those incidents were just mistakes. Also Friday, Aguilar said Border Patrol and other law enforcement are reporting that a new violent tactic is being used against them. They said they are being targeted by "flaming rocks," rocks wrapped in cloth, dipped in gasoline, set on fire and thrown across the border. Most of the incidents have happened near San Diego, and one officer has been injured, he said. Authorities fear a deadly confrontation as attacks against Border Patrol agents increase. Last fiscal year there were 778 reported incidents, compared with 396 in 2004. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. |
| tinyurl.com/7ho7g -> www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/national/28border.html&OQ=_rQ3D3Q26orefQ3DsloginQ26orefQ3Dslogin&OP=8a499ebQ2F@yRQ26@lQ22Q5DQ3FfQ22Q22Q2BE@Ezzu@z-@EQ2A@!Q5CQ2BQ24Q22!Q5Cn@EQ2AQ26Q22flRfQ5BQ3EQ2Bkn Article Tools Sponsored By By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: January 28, 2006 EL PASO, Jan. "It was military," said the sheriff, Arvin West, whose officers were involved in the incident. "Due to the pending Congressional hearings, I can't comment further." Sheriff West said the determination that the equipment was military-issue came from the federal government, but he would not elaborate. An Army spokesman said he could not confirm the sheriff's statement. The Mexican Foreign Relations Department said it would have no comment, but other Mexican officials have said the uniforms and other equipment could have been stolen. Mexico's foreign relations secretary suggested on Thursday that the smugglers might have been American soldiers or American criminals disguised as Mexican soldiers. Police gear is sold at street stands in Mexico, and kidnappers and drug smugglers there wear it regularly. The chief of the United States Border Patrol, David Aguilar, said here on Friday that he could not rule out Mexican soldiers' involvement in the incident, which occurred in a remote spot along the Rio Grande about 50 miles east of El Paso. But the Mexican government has denied that any soldiers were involved. The smugglers abandoned more than a half-ton of marijuana as they escaped back across the border without a shot fired. Texas, and other officials have said they will seek hearings investigating such border incursions. Mr Aguilar said he had spoken with his Mexican counterparts and was assured that an intense investigation was under way in Mexico. A California newspaper reported this month that Mexican military units had entered the United States 216 times since 1996. It cited a Department of Homeland Security document, but the department secretary, Michael Chertoff, has said that many of those incidents were just mistakes. Also Friday, Mr Aguilar said members of the Border Patrol and other law enforcement agencies were reporting that a new violent tactic was being used against them: rocks wrapped in cloth, dipped in gasoline, set on fire and thrown across the border. Most of the incidents have happened near San Diego, he said, and one officer has been injured. The authorities have said that they fear a deadly confrontation as attacks against Border Patrol agents increase. In the last fiscal year, there were 778 reported incidents, compared with 396 in the 2004 fiscal year. |
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| www.dpft.org/hernandez/gallery -> dpft.org/hernandez/gallery/ Hernandez Memorial Gallery Ezequiel On May 20, 1997, Esequiel Hernandez, Jr. Unknown to Esequiel or any of the other residents of Redford, a group of four Marines led by 22-year old Corporal Clemente Banuelos had been encamped just outside the small village along the Rio Grande River for three days. After watering his small flock of goats in the river, Esequiel started on his way back home when the Marines began stalking him from a distance of 200 yards. The four camouflaged Marines were outfitted with state-of-the-art surveillance equipment and weapons. The autopsy showed that Esequiel was facing away from the Marines when he was shot. He probably never knew the Marines were watching him from 200 yards away. Thus it was that a 22 year-old United States Marine shot and killed an innocent 18 year-old boy tending his family's goats. This outrageous act was the inevitable consequence of a drug prohibition policy gone mad. Esequiel Hernandez was killed not by drugs but by military officers of the United States government. Banuelos This is Corporal Banuelos, who led the Marine unit that patrolled the Redford area. He fired the shot that killed Esequiel on the orders of an unidentified commander who was not present at the scene. He and his fellow Marines, trained to kill the enemy, were placed in a situation which was inconsistent with the role of the military. Now he will have to live with the guilt of killing an innocent man for the rest of his life. The River This is the Big Bend Region of the Texas-Mexican border. Obviously a difficult, if not impossible, area for successful drug interdiction. In fact, this region is not very active regarding drug smuggling. Most drugs are currently smuggled through major ports of entry. There are simply too many containers crossing the border for inspectors to search. The odds, whether at ports of entry or in regions like Big Bend, are with the smugglers. The Valley Redford is a small town of approximately 100 people. It borders on the Rio Grande and many of the families in Redford have families across the river. There have been no reports of drugs being smuggled through Redford. No one can recall a seizure of illegal drugs in the town. Camo The area where the goats were being herded was Esequiel's backyard. It is desert land, but there is a lot of brush, small bushes, hills and trees. In fact on the day of the shooting it looked very much like this. When the Marines fired on Esequiel they were 200 yards away. It is hard to believe that Junior recognized the Marine from that distance, in fact, he probably had no idea a group of Marines were following him. The Well This is the site where Esequiel was standing when he was shot. Visible in the background of the photo just to the right of the man's left elbow is the Hernandez family home. The Site This is a view of the building which Esequiel was standing near when he was shot. Notice the road curving off to the right and the small building slightly up the road. In the lower right-hand corner of this photo is the corner of the well which marks the spot where Esequiel was shot. The Church This is a local church as seen from the site where Esequiel was shot. Notice the small building to the left of the church and the road in the foreground. The Shooter This is the view from where the Marine stood when firing the fatal shot. The black arrow drawn on this photo points to a person standing in the same place where Esequiel was standing when shot. The Brother After the shooting, the town held a meeting to discuss what to do. The meeting was attended by border rights groups organized by the American Friends Service Committee. DPFT Board Member and President of Common Sense for Drug Policy Kevin Zeese is on the left. Maria Jimenez, of the American Friends Service Committee is fourth from the left. Approximately 30 people from Redford attended the meeting. Also in attendance were Dan Abrahamson of the Lindesmith Center and Steve Bunch of the Drug Policy Forum of New Mexico who is a member of DPFT. The purpose of the summit was to discuss with town residents their legal options for seeking justice in the death of Junior and in demilitarizing their community. The Grave This is the grave where 18 year old Esequiel Hernandez is buried. He was shot while herding goats by a member of the Joint Task Force 6 drug patrol. The small building on the horizon is the site where Esequiel was shot, ironically, while facing away from the marines and toward the cemetary where he is now buried. |
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