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2/1 Cool, I hated the ClearType-looking fonts of IE7 beta 2 that you can't seem to turn off, but it looks like a related feature is that page zooms are much more natural. Now theoretically my mom can read those tiny Chinese characters a little better. \_ clear type or anti-alias font is not very good for small fonts. \_ So what's cool about IE7 vs. FF? \_ Why do you care about IE7? \_ "page zooms are much more natural" (good) "ClearType-looking fonts [can't turn off]" (bad) I'm also interested in any good things in IE7 being copied in FF besides the first being good for mymom, I'm interested in any good things in IE7 being copied in FF \_ Perhaps I was unclear. I use Firefox and Opera instead of IE. Why would you expose yourself to all the IE problems by using it? \_ It's for mymom. She reads a lot of Chinese web sites. Firefox is poor at rendering zoomed in Chinese web sites. I also had her on Firefox initially but it had problems with IE-limited web pages (don't ask me, they just had problems with FF), so she's using that anyway. \_ Have you tried Opera? It's got the best zooming IMO. \_ not for a year or so, but I'll try it. it's really the Chinese character rendering. really the Chinese character rendering while not screwing up the page layout. \_ I am sorry, but that is not the issue. I read Chinese site everyday, and I found that setting minimum font size does most of the trick.. and I set minimum font size to 18 due to my poor eye sight. \_ Mymom uses a 17" LCD (she won't accept a bigger one because the 17" one was a joint gift from the children). Anyway, I set the minimum font size to 32 and compared FF to IE7, and IE7 wins IMO ... that means I'm probably gonna install that for her. \_ What is "page zoom"? \_ Font size smaller / bigger, but in IE7, I think it uses vector scaling or something like that, AND it also zooms the images appropriately, which is something I forgot to mention. \_ Magnifying the whole page, including images and fonts, by an arbitrary percentage and it all "just works". Before this feature was introduced, I think you could only do font size bigger/smaller for IE and FF, though it sounds like Opera zooming is good. Yeah, just googled, Opera has it, but not FF (yet): http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/23555 Okay, googling further there's an FF extension in beta: http://www.memb.jp/~deq/mozilla/pagezoom \_ The browser on <DEAD>MyTurn.com<DEAD>'s Global PC had this feature six years ago. (Yeah the company went under.) \_ Okay, I found out where to turn off the ClearType. It's yet another option in Tools -> Options -> Advanced. -op \_ I would urge you move your mom to Firefox for security reason. IE and its ActiveX plugins is too insecure for average-joe to use it. |
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ask.metafilter.com/mefi/23555 scale September 3, 2005 Firefox filter: I like Firefox but everything looks tiny on my high res laptop screen. Is there a trick to make it "fit to window" like Opera does? Opera seems to scale up the page as well as the text to fill the screen nicely while Firefox will scale the text up but still have it all squished into a skinny page. Colorzilla extension has a very nice zoom feature, which will zoom the entire page, not just the text. It doesn't persist, unfortunately, but that's the only thing I can think of to suggest. However, if I understand what you are saying, this won't help with the layout. It will keep the fonts at the specified sizes, but if the page author has specified widths in pixels it will still cause the page to be laid out to those specifications. For example, if the page author specified a column to be 300px wide, then that's how wide it will be regardless of the font sizes. Welcome to the world of completely clueless and incompetent webmasters that insist on using pixel-sizes. At least the days of sites that say "Best viewed with Internet Explorer at 800x600" are mostly over. You can probably work around this kind of thing with a user CSS file, or an extension of some kind. But you really should email the webmasters of these sites and tell them their page looks like ass on your screen because they decided to use pixel measurements. Tell them your screen dimensions, and that you hate using their site due to their shitty design. The only way this will ever change is when people realize that not everyone's screen resolution and DPI are the same or even close to theirs, and that using pixels as unit of length in web design for dimensions like page width is really dumb. |
www.memb.jp/~deq/mozilla/pagezoom -> www.memb.jp/~deq/mozilla/pagezoom/ Changelog About PageZoom is an extension for Firefox and compatible with Firefox 10 or later. It enables the page zoom feature which is able to zoom pages in and out - not only texts but also images synchronously. While it cannot keep the exact proportion of the styled page for some reasons, it helps you until Mozilla finally supports the page zoom function. This extension might be some help of you if you have low vision and are being annoyed with the small texts in the images. Mozilla and Firefox officially implements the page zoom functionality by default because it's one of the accessibility issues. Opera web browser fully supports the page zooming by default, and even Internet Explorer can also support it when a plugin is installed. Mozilla lacks the feature, or does not fully support it even if an extension is provided, so Mozilla is just behind them. PageZoom is licensed under the terms of the MPL 11/GPL 20/LGPL 21 tri-license. Description There are only three commands that can be performed at present: Zoom In: Alt++ Zooms in the page by 20%. Restore Zoom Level: Alt+0 Reset zoom to the default value (100%). You can change the key bindings via "Tools -> Extensions -> double-click on the PageZoom item". Drag & drop the Zoom In, Zoom Out, Zoom Reset and/or Zoom Misc icons onto your favorite place. Note that you cannot zoom out for texts more than what you set to the "Minimum font size" in the "Tools -> Options -> General -> Fonts & Colors". Zooming out the images doesn't have such a restriction except the 5% of minimum zoom level. Please join BabelZilla if you are interested at localizing Mozilla extensions! Note that translations outside BabelZilla are also welcome. Please check the forum above to make sure that your translating language has not translated yet. I also thank to people who suggested the new features or reported the bugs. Thanks to Proyecto Nave for es-ES translation, Goofy for fr-FR, MatrixIsAllOver for it-IT, Batuhan C,etin for tr-TR and Duet G for zh-CN! |