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1/5 How can people be this stupid?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html
\_ With the "woe unto" comment, one could interpret Robertson as
wishing strokes, death etc. on these people. Lovely.
\_ No, you couldn't unless you have no context and are an idiot.
\_ Yeah, we've done that below.
\_ here is my question of the day. according to my limited knowledge,
the size of the Promised Land is about 4 times of what Israel is
today. Does Robertson support invation of Syria, and rest of
neighboring Arab nations to restore the rest of the Promised Land?
\_ Umm... I wouldn't put it past him.
\_ Me neither. Which would put Pat Robertson right up there
with the prez of Iran and bin Laden, as people who don't see
a problem killing & taking land away from people of the other
'evil' religion(s).
\_ you gotta becareful here. Taking land away from infidels
are fundamental building block of USA and Israel.
\_ Sorry to pop your cherry, son -- but most countries
gained land in wars with other countries or people.
(even China). There's this thing that's commonly
referred to as 'History'. People even write books
about it. Maybe someone here will even recommend a
good book about this 'History'.
\_ no one can match the scale of what USA have done,
though.
\_ Garbage! The Great Chinese Civilization grew
mostly from the voluntary adoption of our superior
culture and way of life by people around us
who later voluluntarily decided to become part of
us. When our great admiral Cheng Ho (aka Zheng
He), he did not invade anyone even though he had
an overwhelming military advantage. This is
unlike the western pirates who lusted for gold
He) sailed the seven seas, he did not invade
anyone even though he had overwhelming
military advantages. This is unlike the
western pirates who lusted for gold
and riches, and slaves. Please do not project
the pirate mentality of your evil ancestors onto
the Great Chinese Civilization.
the Great Chinese Civilization. We are not the
same as you evil monkeys. -gcc
\_ US yes, but Israel..... I mean, they gained
land in wars against other countries. Whereas the
US just decimated the Indians almost to the point
of extermination.
\_ I am talking about what happened in 1948, not
1967.
\_ It's pretty much best not to listen to Robertson. -emarkp
\_ ...or anyone else who quotes the ugly sections of the Bible.
\_ Christians do seem to be turning against him:
http://tammybruce.com/archives/2006/01/pat_robertson_i.php
http://wingercomics.com/blog/?p=39 |
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| www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html "God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said. Robertson's show airs on the ABC Family cable network and claims about 1 million viewers daily. Sharon, 77, clung to life in a Jerusalem hospital Thursday after surgery to treat a severe stroke, his doctors said. The prime minister, who withdrew Israeli settlers and troops from Gaza and parts of the West Bank last summer over heated objections from his own Likud Party, was breathing with the aid of a ventilator after doctors operated to stop the bleeding in his brain. In Washington, President Bush offered praise for Sharon in a speech on Thursday. A man who cared deeply about the security of the Israeli people, and a man who had a vision for peace. Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, compared Robertson's remarks to the overheated rhetoric of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Full story) He called the comments "outrageous" and said they were not something to expect "from any of our friends." "He is a great friend of Israel and a great friend of Prime Minister Sharon himself, so I am very surprised," Ayalon told CNN. Robertson, 75, founded the Christian Coalition and in 1988 failed in a bid for the Republican presidential nomination. He last stirred controversy in August, when he called for the assassination of Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez. Full story) Robertson later apologized, but still compared Chavez to Hitler and former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in the process. The same month, the Anti-Defamation League criticized Robertson for warning that God would "bring judgment" against Israel for its withdrawal from Gaza, which it had occupied since the 1967 Mideast war. Robertson said Thursday that Sharon was "a very likable person, and I am sad to see him in this condition." He linked Sharon's health problems to the 1995 assassination of Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin, who signed the Oslo peace accords that granted limited self-rule to Palestinians. "It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, now he's dead," Robertson said. Rabin was gunned down by a religious student opposed to the Oslo accords. The killer, Yigal Amir, admitted to the crime and was sentenced to life in prison. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Robertson's comments Thursday, saying the televangelist "has a political agenda for the entire world." "He seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a written statement. "A religious leader should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life," he said. Ralph Neas, president of liberal advocacy group People for the American Way, said "it is astonishing that Pat Robertson still wields substantial influence" in the Republican Party. "Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," Neas said in a written statement. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
| tammybruce.com/archives/2006/01/pat_robertson_i.php Via Breitbart: US Christian broadcaster says Sharon's stroke divine retribution US evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for "dividing God's land" of Israel, igniting his latest trademark controversy. As the Israeli prime minister battled for life, Robertson seemed to suggest to viewers on his "700 Club" television show that Sharon was being punished for his policies in Gaza and the West Bank. At first, I made this an update to the post that follows, but then felt it deserved it's own special post. Pat Robertson has been one of those who all too frequently joins in with narcissistic ramblings declaring that he knows what God is up to. He, like others who declare tragedies are implemented by God to punish people, is a menace. As we demand that Modern Muslims stand up to the fundamentalist posers in their midst, Christians need to do the same. Associating the most low of human tendencies and desire--revenge, murder, hate, violence--to a divinity, is the epitome of malignant narcissism. It is the suggestion that the most base of who we are (which we cannot escape as humans) is in fact mirrored in God. It is pathetic, outrageous and is the sort of attitude which leads self-styled "men of God" to believe they have permission to encourage or exact murder in the name of God. Robertson's arrogance seems to move at a par with his detachment from reality. For those of you who have forgotten, here's a bit of a litany of what Robertson has declared, providing extraordinary ammunition to those who are committed to furthering the demonization of Christianity itself. In October, he said a recent spate of natural disasters pointed to the end of the world and the imminent second coming of Jesus Christ. In August, Robertson said the United States should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, but later apologized for the remark. He also suggested voters in a Pennsylvania town should not expect God's help should they face a natural disaster after they ousted a school board which had mandated the teaching of creationism. Last year, he suggested that the threat to the United States from liberal "activist judges" was "probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings," a reference to the September 11 attacks. Here is the press release from CBN addressing Robertson's statements. At the end to blame the leftist group People for the American Way for "taking comments out of context" in an attempt to discredit Robertson, is absurd. While PAW is a leftist group and one of our serious cultural problems, Robertson's words alone speak for themselves, and Robertson discredits himself. I noted earlier that his attitude is manna for leftists as an example of the sort of thoughtless religious fundamentalism that is dangerous and extreme. Also, I've received a number of emails from readers complaing that I'm "Christian bashing." I'm addressing here an extremist who makes all Christians look bad. I've also received complaints that I'm making this "personal." I'm addressing this man's deliberate attempt to claim he speaks for God, and effort to set a tone that fundamentliats have used for centuries to justify man's violence against man. This is about the condition of our lives, the future and the the attempt to politically manipulate majot international events. All of which Robertsopn set in motion as a person who makes public proclamations. He is not off limits, and all of us should indeed come to judgment about the intentions of men like this. gif Comments Normally, crap like that would get to me, but I consider the source, and the fact that he has put his foot in his mouth on more than one occassion (see above). Also, he has every right to speak his mind, even if what's coming out of his mouth is not to my, or anyone else's, liking. The beauty of this country is that you can do that, and not get your tongue cut out by a lunatic with a dull butter knife. With that said, he better be prepared for the backlash that he is sure to receive. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from accountability. What will be so revealing about this however is the fundamentalist leftists (and their lapdogs in the old media) will attempt to paint all of Christianity with the Pat Robertson brush. Yet they have no problem excusing the behavior of the vast majority of Moslems who are giving tacit approval to the actions of their radical brothers by not speaking out in a loud, clear and convincing voice. at January 6, 2006 06:51 AM ( "In October, he said a recent spate of natural disasters pointed to the end of the world and the imminent second coming of Jesus Christ." we have radical Islamists murdering Christians in Muslim countries by the bushel for nothing more than being Christians. We have a world-wide confederacy of Muslim nations devoted to the destruction of Israel. Russia leaning toward cooperation with Muslim nations (Iran most recently). Chavez is a certified lunatic who despises the American way of life and has actively worked against our best interests. Pat Robertson doesn't speak for all Christians by any means but we should be clear on one thing: virtually every religion in existence believes God does in fact intervene and has an interest in the course of human events. Jefro "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." at January 6, 2006 07:42 AM "Pat Robertson doesn't speak for all Christians by any means but we should be clear on one thing: virtually every religion in existence believes God does in fact intervene and has an interest in the course of human events. Jefro, you are right, 100%, but I think the point that folks are trying to make is, who is Robertson that he has the presumption and arrogance to know what God is doing? well, I wont go there In the meantime, by RObertson being all about punishment and judgement from God, just gives the left more ammunition to fire back on religion and God. at January 6, 2006 08:12 AM "In the meantime, by RObertson being all about punishment and judgement from God, just gives the left more ammunition to fire back on religion and God." Pat Robertson is a indefatigable supporter of Israel, as well as Ariel Sharon. Think you, and a few others, might just be misinterpreting the meaning behind his recent remarks? What he said was not, in any way, shape, or form, a personal attack on Mr Sharon. Presume a young person will read your comment and post accordingly. Silly or annoying remarks may be deleted, depending on the moderator's mood. Comments do not necessarily reflect the views of Tammy Bruce. com You may not receive a personal response, but chiming in is always appreciated! And keep in mind, we reserve the right to publish any email received. In our discussion about state-sanctioned racism in Mexico today, I used an example of a stamp series issued in Mexico in June 2005 of the "Memin Pinguin" character. In fact, granting this multiple murderer/Crips gang founder would be a monumental betrayal. gov Culture Note: San Francisco sensation Judy Butterfield to celebrate the release of her debut CD "Judy Sings Judy"(as in Garland) at the Cinegrill in Los Angeles on Sunday, November 20. A protege of Cabaret Legend, Andrea Marccovici, fifteen year old Ms Butterfield has been receiving enthusiastic acclaim in her native San Francisco at The Empire Plush Room. Chinese Christian to 3 years in jail for daring to distribute bibles. Author, radio talk show host and renaissance man G Gordon Liddy was our 11:00am PT hour guest. Stacked and Packed calendar, his being a contestant on the celebrity Fear Factor, and his new book coming out "Fight Back." As soon as we have more info on the last two projects, you'll get it here. |
| wingercomics.com/blog/?p=39 He does not hear the voice of God, which he pretends to represent; what he's listening to are clearly the little voices in his head. There was a time when Robertson could honestly have been said to be representative of some segment of conservative religious thought, simply by virtue of the popularity of his TV show; but over the years, his comments have become increasingly bizarre. I have no idea what his ratings are like these days, but he lost my folks as viewers a long time ago. Somehow, he's managed to transform himself from small-screen Billy Graham to Tammy Faye Baker without the makeup, which is to say, a human joke that makes a mockery of the faith they claim to represent. You know, I may be out of line with the "voices in his head" remark. It could be that he is simply a cynical person with a dying show that only spikes up in viewership when he gets quoted in the press saying something wildly inappropriate. But I can't pretend to know what kind of voice is in his head. There is connection to higher sources: Your Higher Self, spirits on higher planes and God. It involves a personal, singular effort by the individual. Then there is disconnection: This is where the individual turns away from connecting with higher sources and decides to be the higher source. These people conive, coerce, manipulate others into believing what they want. They direct and they dictate the requirements (according to them) on how only through them, you can connect to God. It has nothing to do with God or a higher spiritual endevour. cosmos Leave a comment Name Mail (will not be published) Website XHTML ( You can use these tags): <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong> . |