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1/5 Pat Robertson.. Always good for a (nervous) laugh
http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=770
\_ bahahaha. what a nutjob.
\_ How can even moderate religious types not see that giving credit to
God for good things and not crediting him for having any hand in the
bad is intellectually bankrupt? (Mostly thinking of the WVA coal
mine thing, but this reminded me of it)
\- ages ago religion explained the natural world, was a source
\_ It still does for much of the electorate. -John
of values and had an element on creating communities. i suppose
resonable people can cleave to the community aspect. it's ok
i suppose as a source of values but people should grant it
doesnt have a monopoly on that. but people who believe religion
has a role in explaining the natural world are dumbasses. it's
better to ignore/mock/pray to the flying sphagetti monster for
their demise than try to understand or engage with them. --psb
their demise than try to understand or engage with them.
\_ Because Christians believe that God gives us everything, and we
should be thankful for everything. Even the difficult
experiences in life. Furthermore, pride is dangerous and so we
try not to take excessive credit for our successes.
\_ "God gives us everything" denies all acts of man and nature.
God is not routinely thanked for "initiating the system of
the universe"; He's thanked for doing very specific things
(saving little Timmy, rescuing mine workers, saving that one
hour in New Orleans, etc). That's what I'm saying is
house in New Orleans, etc). That's what I'm saying is
intellectually bankrupt.
\_ you forgot free throws. -tom
\_ Oh, on that I agree. To claim that God did specific things
without claiming a gift of prophecy is indeed ridiculous.
Oh, and that includes Pat Robertson. -emarkp
\_ Ok I'll bite: so claiming the gift of prophecy would
make it not ridiculous?
\_ It does make it consistent. And then the claim of
prophecy might be testable. -emarkp
prophecy might be testable. Now that I reread the
article, Robertson didn't say what the headline said.
He did not say that God did something. -emarkp
\_ Indeed. But then it might be the case that the
gift was due to a pact with Lucifer, or
Witchcraft. So we should apply the principles
of http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org. I
think we should start with Robertson.
(re: your last point, he said God is punishing
Sharon. so... what?)
\_ No, he didn't say that.
\_ He said: "God says, 'This land belongs to
me. You better leave it alone.'" How's that?
(He also said "[Sharon] was dividing...
Woe unto..." which == "God punished him"
to non-idiots.)
\_ On these questions, I suggest reading the Book of Job.
For those who've heard the beautiful hymn "It is Well With My
Soul", written last century by a Chicago businessman after
he lost all five of his children, here's a link to the story:
http://www.christianity.ca/church/worship/2004/02.000.html
Here's the song:
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/t/i/itiswell.htm
http://www.geocities.com/cott1388/spafford.html
Here's the lyrics for the song:
http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/soul.html
http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh377.sht |
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| jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=770 Pat Robertson said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is being punished by God for dividing the Land of Israel. Robertson, speaking on the 700 Club on Thursday, suggested Sharon, who is currently in an induced coma, and former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, assassinated by an Israeli extremist in 1995, were being treated with enmity by God for dividing Israel. And I would say, Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations or the United States of America. |
| www.malleusmaleficarum.org THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. Disclaimer Saint Magdalen by Peter Paul Rubens The Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer), first published in 1486, is arguably one of the most infamous books ever written, due primarily to its position and regard during the Middle Ages. It served as a guidebook for Inquisitors during the Inquisition, and was designed to aid them in the identification, prosecution, and dispatching of Witches. It set forth, as well, many of the modern misconceptions and fears concerning witches and the influence of witchcraft. The questions, definitions, and accusations it set forth in regard to witches, which were reinforced by its use during the Inquisition, came to be widely regarded as irrefutable truth. Those beliefs are held even today by a majority of Christians in regard to practitioners of the modern "revived" religion of Witchcraft, or Wicca. And while the Malleus itself is largely unknown in modern times, its effects have proved long lasting. At the time of the writing of The Malleus Maleficarum, there were many voices within the Christian community (scholars and theologians) who doubted the existence of witches and largely regarded such belief as mere superstition. The authors of the Malleus addressed those voices in no uncertain terms, stating: "Whether the Belief that there are such Beings as Witches is so Essential a Part of the Catholic Faith that Obstinacy to maintain the Opposite Opinion manifestly savours of Heresy." The immediate, and lasting, popularity of the Malleus essentially silenced those voices. It made very real the threat of one being branded a heretic, simply by virtue of one's questioning of the existence of witches and, thus, the validity of the Inquisition. It set into the general Christian consciousness, for all time, a belief in the existence of witches as a real and valid threat to the Christian world. It must be noted that during the Inquisition, few, if any, real, verifiable, witches were ever discovered or tried. Often the very accusation was enough to see one branded a witch, tried by the Inquisitors' Court, and burned alive at the stake. Estimates of the death toll during the Inquisition worldwide range from 600,000 to as high as 9,000,000 (over its 250 year long course); either is a chilling number when one realizes that nearly all of the accused were women, and consisted primarily of outcasts and other suspicious persons. Anyone who did not fit within the contemporary view of pieous Christians were suspect, and easily branded "Witch". It must also be noted that the crime of Witchcraft was not the only crime of which one could be accused during the Inquisition. By questioning any part of Catholic belief, one could be branded a heretic. Scientists were branded heretics by virtue of repudiating certain tenets of Christian belief (most notably Galileo, whose theories on the nature of planets and gravitational fields was initially branded heretical). Writers who challenged the Church were arrested for heresy (sometimes formerly accepted writers whose works had become unpopular). Anyone who questioned the validity of any part of Catholic belief did so at their own risk. The Malleus Maleficarum played an important role in bringing such Canonical law into being, as often the charge of heresy carried along with it suspicions of witchcraft. It must be remembered that the Malleus is a work of its time. At that time nearly any unexplainable illness or malady would often be attributed to magic, and thus the activity of witches. It was a way for ordinary people to make sense of the world around them. The Malleus drew upon those beliefs, and, by its very existence, reinforced them and brought them into the codified belief system of the Catholic Church. In many ways, it could be said that it helped to validate the Inquisition itself. While the Malleus itself cannot be blamed for the Inquisition or the horrors inflicted upon mankind by the Inquisitors, it certainly played an important role. Thus has it been said that The Malleus Maleficarum is one of the most blood-soaked works in human history, in that its very existence reinforced and validated Catholic beliefs which led to the prosecution, torture, and murder, of tens of thousands of innocent people. The lasting effect of the Malleus upon the world can only be measured in the lives of the hundreds of thousands of men, women, and even children, who suffered, and died, at the hands of the Inquisitors during the Inquisition. At the height of its popularity, The Malleus Maleficarum was surpassed in public notoriety only by The Bible. Its effects were even felt in the New World, where the last gasp of the Inquisition was felt in the English settlements in America (most notably in Salem, Massachusetts during the Salem Witch Trials). It is beyond the scope of this article to adequately examine the role of the Malleus in world history, or its lasting effects. At the very least, The Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer) offers to us an intriguing glimpse into the Medieval mind, and perhaps gives us a taste of what it might have been like to have lived in those times. |
| www.christianity.ca/church/worship/2004/02.000.html Try 2 issues Risk-free FREE NEWSLETTER Sign up today for our free newsletter: go Worship It Is Well With My Soul A beautiful hymn of peace and praise, incredibly, this song was penned from grief borne in the midst of the most tragic of circumstances. by Cathy Sheridan Paul Harvey's radio program The Rest of the Story gives interesting but little-known details about the lives of famous people, and unusual background information behind well-known events. Hymns also sometimes have interesting and encouraging stories as to how and why they were written. Their hearts were comforted and strengthened by the truth of the resurrection. Horatio G Spafford, a 43-year-old Chicago businessman, suffered financial disaster in the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. He and his wife were still grieving over the death of their only son shortly before the fire. Spafford realized they needed to get away for a vacation. Knowing that their friend and well-known evangelist Dwight L Moody was going to be in England that fall for a campaign, he decided to take the entire family to England. His wife Anna and his four daughters sailed ahead on the SS Ville du Havre. Urgent business delayed him so he planned to follow shortly. The ship was struck by an iron sailing vessel and sank in 12 minutes in the cold waters of the Atlantic Ocean. Mrs Spafford miraculously survived the accident, but their four daughters Tanetta, Maggie, Annie and Bessie drowned in the tragedy. On reaching the European mainland, she cabled her husband with the sad message, "Saved alone." Stories differ as to when the hymn, "It Is Well With My Soul," was written. Some believe it was later when Spafford was on a ship to rejoin his wife in Cardiff, Wales. When the captain informed him that they were passing over the scene of the accident, what depth of pain-filled grief must have flooded over him. The Holy Spirit inspired him to pen these words, "When sorrows like sea billows roll; whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say, it is well, it is well, with my soul." Others feel Spafford wrote this hymn about two years later when Moody and his music evangelist Ira Sanky were staying at the Spafford home. Friends can be a comfort and encouragement during difficult circumstances. Spafford, in spite of his anguish, could say along with the apostle Paul, "I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances" (Philippians 4:11). This bereaved, loving father longed for the day when he would see his four beautiful daughters and son again. "And Lord haste the day when the faith will be sight, the clouds be rolled back as a scroll; the trump shall resound and the Lord shall descend, even so, it is well with my soul." The hope of being reunited with their beloved children gave these parents the courage to keep on living in faith. Their hearts were comforted and strengthened by the truth of the resurrection. This hymn is a beautiful expression of worship--"Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord, O my soul." Each verse contains wonderful expressions of faith and truth. In spite of the horrible tragedy, the comfort that comes from a strong faith in God shines brightly through the gloom. This hymn echoes of pain and suffering but also of the eternal hope that all believers have. Our compassionate heavenly Father gives us comfort, hope and peace in His Son Jesus Christ. Although the words "it is well with my soul" are not found in Scripture, Jesus did say, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened ... and you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-29). Our compassionate heavenly Father gives us comfort, hope and peace in His Son Jesus Christ. One day God will wipe away every tear and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain. To all parents who have lost a child and to anyone going through the loss of a loved one, may you be comforted and encouraged by this hymn. The Spaffords had two more daughters born after the shipwreck tragedy and then the family moved to Jerusalem. Cathy Sheridan, based in Alberta, is a pastor's wife who works full time and has a passion and love for worship and women's ministry. Originally published in the Northern Light Magazine, February/March 2000. |
| www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/t/i/itiswell.htm The tune is named after the ship on which Spafford's children perished, the SS Ville de Havre. Ironically, Bliss himself died in a tragic train wreck shortly after writing this music. This hymn was written after two major traumas in Spafford's life. The first was the great Chicago Fire of October 1871, which ruined him fi- nancially (he had been a wealthy businessman). Shortly after, while crossing the Atlantic, all four of Spafford's daughters died in a col- lision with another ship. Spafford's wife Anna survived and sent him the now famous telegram, "Saved alone." Several weeks later, as Spaf- ford's own ship passed near the spot where his daughters died, the Ho- ly Spirit inspired these words. They speak to the eternal hope that all believers have, no matter what pain and grief befall them on earth. When peace, like a river, attendeth my way, When sorrows like sea billows roll; Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say, It is well, it is well, with my soul. Refrain It is well, with my soul, It is well, with my soul, It is well, it is well, with my soul. Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come, Let this blest assurance control, That Christ has regarded my helpless estate, And hath shed His own blood for my soul. My sin, not in part but the whole, Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more, Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul! Refrain For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live: If Jordan above me shall roll, No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul. Refrain But, Lord, tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait, The sky, not the grave, is our goal; Refrain And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight, The clouds be rolled back as a scroll; The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, Even so, it is well with my soul. |
| www.geocities.com/cott1388/spafford.html so costly a sacrifice midi on this page PEACE LIKE A RIVER When peace like a river, attendeth my way; Whatever my lot, thou hast taught me to say, It is well, it is well with my soul. Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come, Let this blest assurance control, That Christ hath regarded my helpless estate, And hath shed His own blood for my soul. My sin, not in part, but the whole, Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more. And, Lord, haste the day when our faith shall be sight The clouds be rolled back as a scroll, The trumpet shall sound, and the Lord shall descend; When Peace, like a River A Grief So Overwhelming The Heart Would Almost Break In 1871, tragedy struck Chicago as fire ravaged the city. When it was all over, 300 people were dead and 100,000 were homeless. Horatio Gates Spafford was one of those who tried to help the people of the city get back on their feet. A lawyer who had invested much of his money into the downtown Chicago real estate, he'd lost a great deal to the fire. And his one son (he had four daughters) had died about the same time. Still, for two years Spafford--who was a friend of evangelist Dwight Moody--assisted the homeless, impoverished, and grief-stricken ruined by the fire. After about two years of such work, Spafford and his family decided to take a vacation. They were to go to England to join Moody and Ira Sankey on one of their evangelistic crusades, then travel in Europe. Horatio Spafford was delayed by some business, but sent his family on ahead. He would catch up to them on the other side of the Atlantic. Off Newfoundland, it collided with an English sailing ship, the Loch Earn, and sank within 20 minutes. Though Horatio's wife, Anna, was able to cling to a piece of floating wreckage (one of only 47 survivors among hundreds), their four daughters--Maggie, Tanetta, Annie, and Bessie--were killed. Horatio received a horrible telegram from his wife, only two words long: "saved alone." Spafford boarded the next available ship to be near his grieving wife, and the two finally met up with Dwight Moody. Though reports vary as to when he did so, Spafford was led during those days of surely overwhelming grief to pen the words to one of the most beautiful hymns we know, beloved by Christians lowly and great. Though not yet (to my knowledge) in Catholic hymnals, it has long been a favorite of Baptists (and other evangelicals) including Martin Luther King. Who can say what it is about life that leads us to such a peace ... Who can say what ingredients it takes, for this person or that, that transforms such overwhelming sadness into personal peace, or brings healing, or ... Langston spoke of his people, whose souls had grown .... And for each one, whatever the answer is, it comes in a kind of poignant solitude unapproachable in any other way. we love you Debbie The Rose Still Grows Beyond the Wall "I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P Basler, Volume VIII, "Letter to Mrs Lydia Bixby" (November 21, 1864), pp. |
| my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2/soul.html When peace, like a river, attendeth my way, When sorrows like sea billows roll; Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say, It is well, it is well, with my soul. Refrain It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well, it is well, with my soul. Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come, Let this blest assurance control, That Christ has regarded my helpless estate, And hath shed His own blood for my soul. Refrain It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well, it is well, with my soul. My sin, not in part but the whole, Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more, Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul! Refrain It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well, it is well, with my soul. And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight, The clouds be rolled back as a scroll; The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, Even so, it is well with my soul. Refrain It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well (it is well), with my soul (with my soul), It is well, it is well, with my soul. |
| www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh377.sht It Is Well with My Soul Text: Horatio G Spafford Music: Philip P Bliss Tune: VILLE DU HAVRE, Meter: 11 811 9 with Refrain 1 When peace, like a river, attendeth my way, when sorrows like sea billows roll; whatever my lot, thou hast taught me to say, It is well, it is well with my soul. Refrain: It is well with my soul, it is well, it is well with my soul. My sin, not in part but the whole, is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more, praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul! |