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2006/1/4-6 [Computer/HW/Scanner, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:41232 Activity:nil
1/4     There was a short thread about AV scanners for Windows recently-
        someone asked "Hmmm, getting my AV ware from dodgy people?" --
        No, that was not the implication--I just said that many people
        "in the know" are pretty sure that Kaspersky has good connections
        to people who write viruses, and get some inside info from them.
        This is not to imply that they in any way commission or endorse
        them.  -John
        \_ I understood.  I just don't like the idea of my AV ware coming
           from black or grey hats.
           \_ They are neither.  It's one big happy community.  Many
              good security people hang out at the same conferences. -John
        \_ Hey sodans, jameslin said among free antivirus scanners,
           avast! > AntiVir.  ClamAV does not do real-time scans.
           Anyone have an opinion where AVG fits in the ranking?
           \_ AVG used to be good when it was the only free program around.
              Most people say that Avast! and AntiVir are better, though.
              http://urlx.org/episteme.arstechnica.com/e0fc
              --jameslin
              \_ doh, one of the referenced urls says "All external studies
                 referenced...unanimously rank... 1. AntiVir 2. Avast 3. AVG"
                 http://wiki.castlecops.com/AntiVirus_Comparison
                 Also, this June 2005 test shows better numerical scores
                 and better comments for AntiVir over avast!
                 http://tinyurl.com/cqfdy (virusbtn.com)
           \_ It also appears that ClamAV can't repair files.
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Edit or Delete Message For a long time, AVG was among the small group of free antivirus programs recommended on Ars. In the past few months, I've repeatedly seen it mentioned as something to avoid. Edit or Delete Message I've been running it for about a year now and I think it's fine. The only problem I have is the system tray icon not always appearing after booting up. So, I guess Im also curious as to what is so negative about this app. Edit or Delete Message Do we need another fucking AV thread? There's a near continuum over the past 6 months that cover pretty much every single known AV platform for teh desktop with people supporting nearly everyone of them. Edit or Delete Message quote: Originally posted by ElectricBrain: I've been running it for about a year now and I think it's fine. The only problem I have is the system tray icon not always appearing after booting up. So, I guess Im also curious as to what is so negative about this app. In a nutshell, it has worse detection rates than other free AV software. Edit or Delete Message quote: Originally posted by rdw: For a long time, AVG was among the small group of free antivirus programs recommended on Ars. In the past few months, I've repeatedly seen it mentioned as something to avoid. I ditched AVG not long before the transition to version 7 for the paid version. That's about when it went downhill, though my problem was with a problem it was causing rather than any feature or lack of. and ends with AntiVir with the occasional NAV user being laughed at between. Edit or Delete Message AVG v6 worked fine for me, but AVG v7 didn't run as smoothly (I don't know about its detection rate), but the killer was that it wouldn't install on 'my personal & for home use server' Mad For the server, I've switched to ClamWIN & am happy again. Edit or Delete Message quote: Originally posted by bash666: Do we need another fucking AV thread? There's a near continuum over the past 6 months that cover pretty much every single known AV platform for teh desktop with people supporting nearly everyone of them. Yes, it is absolutely necessary that we have yet another AV thread. I merely wanted to know why the collective opinion on AVG had turned sour. Edit or Delete Message quote: Yes, it is absolutely necessary that we have yet another AV thread. I merely wanted to know why the collective opinion on AVG had turned sour. It's not defferent because all of the opinions against AVG are clearly expressed in the AV threads over the past couple of months. Edit or Delete Message The problem is that its detection ratio has been hovering @70% for a while, so it will let 3 out of 10 viruses get in. Depending on how the executable was packed, it will flag perfectly legitimate apps as a virus / trojan /the anti-christ / etc. In short: not reliable and prone to gross mistakes when ID'ing stuff. Edit or Delete Message Last I checked Avast was the only one of the free scanners with a version that worked on Windows x64 (that may have changed, I haven't kept up with the latest/beta versions of AVG and AntiVir). AVG probably had the lowest impact on system resources, so it was the least painful to run on older/slower machines. But I had a client get pwned while running an up-to-date version (by malware that was immediately detected by all the other tools we ran during the cleaning process), and I've avoided it ever since.
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VB Comparative: Windows XP - June 2005 2005-06-01 Matt Ham Virus Bulletin Editor: Helen Martin Abstract This month's testing process proved to be relatively plain sailing for VB's resident reviewer Matt Ham. Find out whether it was such a breeze for the 28 products on test. Technical details Introduction VB's last comparative review on Windows XP (see VB, June 2004, p12) was carried out at around the same time as the release of XP Service Pack 2 Fortunately for the products, the release date of SP2 was just after the deadline for the comparative, thus the products were spared the challenge of having to perform on the newly updated platform. Having had close to a year in which the products could adapt to the new features in SP2, this month's review was expected to bring few surprises and not to be too taxing. The testing process was the smoothest that I can remember, with only a handful of crashes to mar the plain sailing. Considering the instability problems I usually encounter on other platforms this is convincing evidence that Windows XP bears the bulk of testing, whether this be by developers in-house, or at the hands of end users. All but one of the products on offer integrated fully with the Windows Security interface, which was a slightly higher percentage than I had expected. Of more immediate importance to users, there was a significant upsurge in the number of false positives generated while scanning the clean sets. This meant that a VB 100% award was denied to more than one of the products in the review. On a more personal level, the logging attempts by some products ranged from the downright disgraceful to the perplexingly cryptic. The test sets The test sets were aligned to the February 2005 WildList, with a product submission deadline of 3 May 2005. 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A false positive in the clean test sets completed ArcaVir's woes, with this adding to the miss of the ItW Nimda sample to deny the product a VB 100%. However, there were a number of issues with the log file which caused some grief. First, the log file is available only as an RTF file, which increases its size appreciably. This might not be such a problem if the log were not truncated before export can occur, since a more compact log would be expected to be truncated less, if at all. Due to these logging problems the on-demand tests were performed by deleting infected files and examining those left. While logging was problematic the other aspects of testing were not, with a VB 100% award being the result. In the case of Avira a reboot is deemed to be recommended, but not vital - which makes it a little unclear as to what might be changed by the reboot process. Detection rates have improved once more for Avira, and are now very good, with no misses either on access or on demand. 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Not only do the results for single files stretch over several lines due to word wrapping, but the word wrapping is continued over several columns - fragmenting the results beyond any ease of parsing, either automatically or by observation. Since the scanning results were good and no false positives arrived to spoil the proceedings, a VB 100% award is awarded. The logging was, however, the same abomination as with the alternative engine. Vet remains unique in that an out-of-date version of the product refuses to scan, forcing the user either to update or have no scanning functionality at all. Quite how effective this is with real users - who are not always known for choosing security over convenience - is a matter for conjecture. As such the comments made for that product are directly applicable for Quick Heal. Sadly for CAT, this includes the withholding of a VB 100% award due to the generation of 28 false positives in the clean test set. Web remains admirable in every way other than the configuration of its on-access scanner. This requires a reboot after any configuration change, including such matters as changing the default log size, which might be classified as relatively minor. The tray icon for the scanner also vanished at one point, seemingly a configuration change triggered merely by opening a dialog rather than actually changing settings. A in their zipped form, suggesting that such scanning may be activated by default. On this occasion Eset's scanner missed two samples in the standard set, though this was not sufficient to deny the company another VB 100%. However, an error on my part highlighted an odd feature of the product. As a matter of routine, on-access scanners are deactivated during testing of on-demand functionality. This should make no difference in theory, as one would expect that a scanner would be instructed not to scan on access a file which it is opening to scan on demand. 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