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Wiretap Mystery: Spooks React A few current and former signals intelligence guys have been checking in since this NSA domestic spying story broke. Their reactions range betwee n midly creeped out and completely pissed off. gif All of the sigint specialists emphasized repeate dly that keeping tabs on Americans is way beyond the bounds of what they ordinarily do -- no matter what the conspiracy crowd may think.
drilled into you from minute one that you should not ever, ever , ever, under any fucking circumstances turn this massive apparatus on a n American citizen," one source says. Another, who's generally very pro-Administration, emphasized that the ope ration at least started with people that had Al-Qaeda connections -- wit h some mass-spying master list.
original story, noted: The CIA seized the terrorists' computers, cellphones and personal pho ne directories, said the officials familiar with the program. In addition to eavesdropping on those numbers and reading e-mail messages to and from the Qaeda figures, the NSA began monitoring others linked to them, creating an expanding ch ain. Since 2002, the agency h as been conducting some warrantless eavesdropping on people in the Unit ed States who are linked, even if indirectly, to suspected terrorists t hrough the chain of phone numbers and e-mail addresses. But this call chain could very well have grown out of control, the source admits. Suddenly, people ten and twelve degrees of separation away from Osama may have been targeted.
wh at might be going on in a press conference yesterday: And here the key is not so much persistence as it is agility. And the intrusion into priv acy -- the intrusion into privacy is significantly less. The period of time in which we do this is, in most cas es, far less than that which would be gained by getting a court order.
As I reflected on the meeting today, and the future we face, John Poinde xter's TIA project sprung to mind, exacerbating my concern regarding th e direction the Administration is moving with regard to security, techn ology, and surveillance.
Ryan, apparently -- sugges ts a different technological approach: the NSA "may have compromised a h ardware manufacturer -- say Motorola or a satellite phone manufacturer, a telecom carrier or a satellite."
Bill Arkin today: In the spring of 2001, NSA began to change direction in its counter-terr orism targeting under Lt. Hayden: rather than analyzing the mass o f what was collected hoping for the gem in the growing mass of availabl e material, NSA began a methodical process of dissecting terrorist targ et communications practices and network to determine what to collect. T his is commonly referred to at NSA as hunting rather than gathering. The perceived shackles of domestic collection were rem oved, the gathering process began again to overwhelm the hunting proces s, new software, data-mining and link analysis methods were applied to isolate potential domestic targets.
Latest Comments I think the problem that seems to be with everyone apposed here is not th e spying or any of that just the fact that they start from the Bushitler idealogy so everything instead of being judged on if it is valuable for our war effort on terrorism,is instead judged on how it could be abused worst case senerio by a mythical Bushitler thats real goal is Imperial insanity. I am sorry guys the Evil Bushitler idea is stupid, Bush only has 3 more y ears and if in the next election Bush tries to run again or like Puty ch ange the constitution ban NGO's and such so he can then be emporer for l ife, I think all those evil conservatives, crazy gun nuts, backwards cou ntry folks, southerners who wear their religion and national pride on th ier sleave, neo-cons warhawks, and of course the evil radical christians who are the real threat becuase they want to be able to say merry chris tmas in public, will all of the sudden be the ones that will do what has to be done to fix that problem. I wouldnt sweat it thou guys I think th e worry of Bush growing a one finger mustache giving a nazi salute decla ring himself ruler of the world and all the US pop who have generations of freedom in thier blood just fall in line and give a "hail Bushitler" salute is somewere between 0 and never not even in parareall universe 66 6 going to happen. Lets concentrate on the real threat you know like the guys who claim all infedels must die, make announcements of how they want to destroy the bi g satan "US", and back that talk and writing up just in case you didnt b elieve it with action like thousands of dead US civilians or maybe the n ew Iranian pres who says Iran will have thier nuke industry, wipe Isreal off the map or move them to Europe, and even believes he has something to do with the 11th Mahdi (who by the way comes back in the end days to rain in Islamic justice on the whole world (something not to good for al l of US infedels like you and me). Lets worry about the REAL CONFIRMED t hreats hear and now not the maybe, possibly, could be, I had a dream, cr ap.. Hell guys even Stalin could set aside his hatred for the British an d the US to fight the Germans. Posted by: C-Low at December 20, 2005 03:40 PM Hi and thanks for the blog. I'm not a tech pers on, but I know eg Kevin Drum has blogged about it. I don't know what the issue is, but some blogs get me to the Times and some blogs don't. There's a similar issue with the LAT, if you have to stop at sign-in page , you aren't directed to the article. Posted by: anon at December 20, 2005 03:39 PM I read a book called "Crossing the Rubicon," by Michael Ruppert. In the b ook, he discusses a software program called "PROMIS". It's basically a s oftware program that has some sort of back door that allows PROMIS to co ntrol any other software it wants to interface to. Reporter Danny Casola ro had been following a huge network of crime that connected with a prog ram named PROMIS created by a company named Inslaw. Inslaw executives cl aimed PROMIS had been stolen by the government, and they wanted recompen se. While following this twisted story, Casolaro suddenly turned up "sui cided". He had told friends if they were ever told he had committed suic ide not to believe it, and to know he had been murdered. This is a very real, very large, very dark conspiracy which has been acknowledged, albe it quietly, by the mainstream media. Here are a couple of links regarding this software for what its worth. htm Posted by: texas republican party refugee at December 20, 2005 03:25 PM C-Low, the line is short and the service is quick at your local recruiting offic e tuff guy. the gutless dems voted for the stupid, unnecessary Iraq war by the way. a nd check your 20th C history books for some more gutless dems with no st omach for national defense. What any of this has to do with illegally spying on citizens of america t hough is beyond me.
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