12/18   Dear Chinese people. In what context do you consider yourselves
        to be Han-ren, Tan-ren, Manchu, Hwa-ren, and finally Zho-Quo-ren?
        \_ Huh?  I consider myself an American.
           \_ You're most likely an ignorant, apathetic, and
              pathetic ABC banana. And no, I'm not a FOB, thank you.
              \_ bad troll.
              \_ I prefer the term Twinkie.
              \_ If you don't even consider yourself an American, then how
                 can you expect other people to treat you like one?
                 \_ Exactly!  I've been wanting to say this to my uncles and
                    aunts and in-laws.  But I dare not since they are senior
                    to me.  BTW I am a 16-yr FOB and I'm not a citizen yet.
                    \_ OTOH, please don't mis-characterize all first
                       generation immigrants to be like your uncles and aunts.
        \_ Most people consider themselves Han, eventhough a lot of them are
           not aware of their minority ancestory.  Certain Last names are
           popular with minorities and thus, if you have that last name, there
           is a good chance that somewhere in history you were once a minority.
           Example: Jin, Bao,  Mu (Mu Rong), Ma (Mohammad).  Due to 2000
           years of mixing, the notion of being a pure Han has become a very
           silly idea.  That is why we have the term "Zhong Guo Ren."
           In Taiwan, pro-independent minded people demonized the word
           "Zhong Guo."  They want to replace it with "Hua," which is even
           more silly because even though the Han culture originalted from
           the tribe of Hua 3000-4000 years ago, Han has constitute a lot of
           minor tribes other than "Hua."
           So, in a way, being a Chinese has more to do with the Han-dominated
           culture than what runs in your blood.  This notio of "define race by
           culture than color of skin" only start to surface in the Western
           world sometime toward the end of 20th century.
        \_ i guess no one would think about this kind of stuff unless
           he or she is a purist.  as in hk, i think 99% would tell you
           they are hongkonger or chinese.
        \_ The young Chinese pianist Lang Lang is a Manchu.  In fact he's a
           distant descendant of the royal family of the Qin Dynasty.
           \_ so is the actress/singer wang2 fei1.  I have a acquaintance
              whose last name is wan2 yan2, and falls under the yellow
              banner of the eight manchu banners.
              \_ ohh my gosh, minority exists... so what?
                 \_ it's often kool to be minority these days.