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12/15   For Star Trek movie guy: Shatner, Stewart, and Bakula to team up in
        ultimate unholy movie of horribleness:
        http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3472202
        \_ Why do star trek writers love time travel so much?  Do they all
           have the fantasy of going back in time and sleeping with their mom?
           \_ Because it allows unlimited cross over episodes between the 3
              time periods they wrote material.
           \_ They have the fantasy of going back in time and child-molest
              their own selves.
              their own selves.  Screwing a young virgin asshole with your big
              fat dick while having your young virgin asshole screwed by a big
              fat dick ...... oh it's so HOT!
           \_ Time travel is a crutch that lets writers to indulge in their
              favorite setting. Instead of creating new scenarios and
              implications, they go to the past and play "alternate history,"
              but somehow they end up back in the same exact world they left
              from because the "true" outcome is pretty much the "best" one.
              No one kills Hitler, stops WWI, or saves Kennedy. Only small
              personal victories are allowed. Sigh. Thinking is hard.
              \_ When I was in middle school, my friend and I who were
                 obscessed with time travel swore that if we ever got our
                 time machine to work, the first thing we would do was go
                 back and tell our middle school selves about it.  By the
                 end of 8th grade we pretty much concluded that neither of
                 us would ever invent a time machine.  The difference between
                 us and those wankers at MIT  was that we had the excuse of
                 being 12.
              \_ What was so great about Kennedy?  Bay of Pigs?  Nuclear war?
                 \_ More interesting is the time, not the man. Vietnam, civil
                    rights, and the cold war.
                 \_ The original plot line for ST2 had Kirk et. al. traveling
                    back in time to assassinate Kennedy in order to restore
                    their timeline.
        \_ If they're doing this Mirror, Mirror bs, they sure as hell better
           bring Avery Brooks back into the project.
           \_ Damn straight. They won't, though. He was the most interesting
              captain by far, but the ST fan base never took to him.
              \_ Pre Shaved Head Sisko was a loser, Shaved Head Goatee Sisko
                 rocked. He was my 2d best captain in the ST universe (Kirk
                 being the best; although Spock technically was a Captain by
                 rank, he doesn't count b/c he never had an independent cmd).
                 I'd love to see a movie w/ Sisko. -stmg
                 \_ IMHO, DS9 >> ST:[TNG,TOS,E,V]. I love TOS, but sometimes
                    you have to get over the first love and move on.
                    \_ As much as I like DS9 (enough to play both Harbinger
                       and The Fallen), I still think that TOS is better b/c
                       of the cast. DS9 had too many losers (Jake, Dr. Bashir,
                       Rom, Nog, &c.) and they managed to mess up stuff like
                       the really cool Section 31 plot line. -stmg
                       \_ It was a better show with losers. Everyone in the
                          other ST shows were idealized paragons. Blah.
                          \_ I can agree that in TOS the characters were
                             nearly perfect, but not in the other shows.
                             The only near perfect characters in TNG were
                             Data and Lore. There were no perfect characters
                             in Voyager. Seven of Nine was not bad, but you
                             can only watch so many episodes where she walks
                             around in a one piece with a concussion phaser
                             rifle :-). -stmg
                    \_ That's because it's B5 with the serial numbers filed
                       off.  And of course B5 is LotR with the serial numbers
                       filed off.
                       \_ B5 was ass. About the only good things on B5 were
                          Kosh (good and bad), Chekov and Marcus and JMS
                          killed off Good Kosh and Marcus. Pox on JMS. LotR
                          is even worse than B5. About the only thing worse
                          than LotR I've ever seen was Attack of the Clowns
                          (Yes, even Final Frontier was better). -stmg
                          \_ Lord of the Rings is worse?
                          \_ If B5 was ass, it was supermodel ass. Don't let
                             your love of the One True Space Opera cloud your
                             ability to appreciate other well-done series.
                             \_ You mean Dune?  Cause that's what Lucas copied
                                \_ The only good thing about Dune was that
                                   Picard was in it. -stmg
                                   \_ You suck.
                             \_ I like SG-1. I've watched ever eps. of B5
                                and I still think it is ass. My opinion
                                might have been different if (1) JMS didn't
                                might have been different if JMS didn't (1)
                                make Evil Kosh act like a sniveling child
                                in front of the first one and (2) JMS didn't
                                kill off Marcus. -stmg
                                in front of the first one and (2) kill off
                                Marcus. -stmg
                       \_ Huh, I don't really see how B5 is LotR.  Please
                          elaborate.
                          \_ There were some obvious nods.  The First One named
                             Lorien.  Sheridan's leap into Z'ha'dum to come
                             back later (compare to Gandalf's plunge into
                             Khazad dum).  The Elder races going away to leave
                             man (the Third Age of Man).  Etc.
                             \_ As you say, those are nods.  "B5 is LotR
                                with the serial numbers filed off,"
                                suggests wholesale lifting of the plot.
                              /
                              http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/07/babylon_5.html
                          \_ If you go to Khazad-dum, you will die.  -geordan
                       \_ I thought DS9 would be B5 with SNs filed off at
                          first, too, but subsequent viewing proved me
                          completely wrong. It was its own original thing.
                          \_ DS9 has actual plot arcs and something unique
                             to offer ST viewers, conflict.
                             \_ Except their entire war thing was stolen from
                                B5.  The thing with the gods dragged on way too
                                long too.  At least it wasn't like ST:TNG,
                                "Sir!  We're under attack!"   "Raise shields,
                                conference!"
                                \_ No, I'm pretty sure war existed before B5.
                                   What you did have was shifting alliances
                                   and actual reasons for war. And DS9 touched
                                   on religion as an actual subject matter in
                                   character lives instead of a plugin addon.
        \_ Even better, TAS might be coming to dvd next year:
           http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#1215
           -stmg
           -stm
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The trio will reportedly star in the unnamed film that will be set in the 'mirror universe,' which was featured in both the Next Generation and E nterprise TV series. Shatner was in talks to do a guest role on Enterprise, but it didn't work out. The ideas for the episode will now be incorporated into a movie." Article Copyright World Entertainment News Network All Rights Reserved.
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