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12/15   Tran Blasts Dean: Calls for Solidarity in Iraq
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536289/posts
        \_ Fascinating... not the article, but your persistence.
           Can you please shed some light as to why you keep posting
           stuff from freerepublic? Is it 1) to educate liberals why
           conservatism is better? 2) to humiliate liberals by pointing
           URLS that humiliate liberals? 3) to generate knee-jerking
           reactions from liberals for entertainment values? or
           4) you forgot your medication? Please explain.
           \_ I kind of like seeing what those bastards are up to.  I find
              that I read points of view on there that most of my liberal
              friends didn't know existed.  For instance, I wouldn't know about
              the drooling adulation of Rice by the wingnut right were it not
              for freerepublic.  A black woman with a phd as an Icon of the far
              right?  It defies the stereotype of the racist right wing nut
              who hates book learnin'.  If it weren't for jblack and his
              dipshit trolls, I would not come into any contact with the far
              right, and given their present power in this country I think that
              would be a bad thing.
              \_ Are you kidding me? Their worship of Condi is the most
                 endearing thing about them. It shows that they have
                 at least mostly abandoned their virulent open racism.
                 \_ Right. Fine.  I'm not dissagreeing with that, I'm just
                    saying that were it not for jblack drooling his links
                    all over the motd, I wouldn't know this particular
                    charming tidbit about the far right.  So it's not all bad.
           \_ 5) Liberal trolling as a conservative posting strawmen
              in order to make conservatives look like nut jobs?
           \_ I would think the article speaks for itself.  There are
              glaring misconceptions about Vietnam that warrant
              clarification.
              clarification.                            -jblack
              \_ The Vietnam war is over. No one cares anymore. Get over it.
                 \_ If people didn't care then why do they compare every
                    non-trivial military action to Vietnam?  And if they're
                    going to compare then it is important that we have the
                    correct history and not myths.  I didn't read the article
                    and don't read the free republic but I do care in general
                    about historical accuracy and revisionism. -!jblack
        \_ yes, your point jblack?
        \_ I don't get it--Dean says "S. Vietnamese couldn't support
           themselves".  Tran says "RVN fell because Congress cut off
           support."  Where's the contradiction?  -John
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history ASSEMBLY DISTRICT 68 ASSEMBLYMAN VAN TRAN Issues: Press Releases Tran Blast Dean, Calls For Solidarity In Iraq "Dean's comments are irresponsible and revisionist" WASHINGTON, DC On Monday, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howar d Dean said during an interview with WOAI radio in San Antonio, TX, Of course, the South Vietnamese couldnt manage to support their own countr y Deans comments are irresponsible and revisionist, said California Asse mblyman Van Tran (R-Costa Mesa), the first Vietnamese-American legislato r in America. Instead of undermining our war effort, Dean should focus on joining the rest of Americans in supporting our troops. South Vietnam only fell after Congress lost the will to support our alli es. Their terrible decision in 1975 has led to three decades of tyranny in that country, where freedom is persecuted and political choice doesn t exist. To maintain se curity in the region and to continue an aggressive prosecution of the Wa r on Terror, American must continue to support the new government in Ira q and help them establish stability there. I am particularly offended by Deans attempt to pull the Vietnamese peop le into his political strategy. Like the oppressed people from Cuba, the Vietnamese people have a strong love of freedom and democracy. Millions have died and more have been imprisoned trying to secure those freedoms . After the January elections in Iraq I wrote: I still mourn the dreadful situation in Vietnam, where human rights are crushed and freedom is a distant dream. Our loss there helps Sundays ac hievement to shine even brighter as a symbol of hope to the world. Sundays vote was a great step toward the promise of democracy, but only one step up the long stairway of a truly democratic society. Remember i t took Japan and Germany about ten years to govern independently after t heir surrender in 1945 (it was four years before the first election in G ermany). The progress in Iraq has been heart warming and should help us to reaffirm our values as this troubled nation continues the path to dem ocracy. The terrorists are trying to win this war by challenging Americas spiri t and returning us to a status where we just react to future attacks. Th ey have succeeded in bringing the unwitting Dean to their efforts, but w e can not just bury our head and wait. BUSH/CHENEY's immediate answer to the Attacks of 911 was to start bringin g Freedom to the oppressed peoples & cultures of the world as America's own best self protection against future terrorist attacks here at home. California State Assemblyman Van Tran is the 1st Vietnamese-American to t ake office as a State Legislator in United States History, being sworn i n on December 6, 2004. View Replies To: saveliberty "South Vietnam only fell after Congress lost the will to support our alli es. Their terrible decision in 1975 has led to three decades of tyranny in that country, where freedom is persecuted and political choice doesn' t exist. View Replies To: saveliberty even though he speaks first-hand about what happened in Nam and why we ca n't let it happen again, it's only a matter of time before he's attacked as being "out of the mainstream".. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE From his press release: "Assemblyman Van Tran Assembly District 68 Proudly Serving: Costa Mesa, G arden Grove, Westminster, Fountain Valley, Anaheim, Stanton, Newport Bea ch. View Replies To: GeorgiaDawg32 Oh, Dean should get a paycheck from Rove, he's so good for us. But Tran is doing an important thing in challenging the conventional wisd om that the withdrawal from Vietnam is a good thing. Howard Dean will take no time at all to get back to the business of disru pting his party. However, he is at risk as it's visible to seasoned Dems that he is trying to control the party message and is doing it badly fo r them. So by attacking Dean, we are in fact strengthening his position in the DN C Some kneejerkism just can't be stopped. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE Funny how actions have consequences, and thanks to the dems treachery in Vietnam, Tran is a true American patriot. What other action was possible by Bush and Cheney after 9/11? View Replies To: saveliberty Thanks for the ping, Saveliberty. If the Dems want to link Iraq to Viet Nam, then this is th e perfect analogy. It is whether the Dems will be allowed to sabotage this nasce nt victory the same way they sabotaged the impending victory earlier in Viet Nam. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE I have been ashamed of what my country did to the Vietnamese people for 3 0 years. Had the spineless critters in congress not cut off funding mill ions of people in that part of the world would still be living. 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God Bless him, unlike Dean, he knows what an American patriot is made of and he lives it. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE As a direct result of a Democrat-controlled US Congress cutting off of funds for the then Free South Vietnamese to continue fighting for their own Freedom... Thanks for the ping and continued success to Freedom Fighter Assemblyman Van Tran. There were lots of FReepers there and I was really honored to have the ch ance to meet Jim Robinson, to shake his hand (and give him a hug) and th ank him for Free Republic! View Replies Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.