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12/14 I just saw a link posted on http://crooksandliars.com and I thought I'd ask motd about it: http://csua.org/u/ebc Mostly I was just wondering if people supported hate crimes legislation. I'm very much a liberal, but there seems to be something silly about punishing people differently based upon what was in their head when they committed the crime. Really, is one murder different than another? Do we want to punish people for what they think? \_ I am an ultra liberal, but in this regard, I don't buy this 'intent' logic. Let say if a guy raped a woman. His defense could be something like he was drunk at the time and thus get a less severe penalty. WTF? we are rewarding people who are not responsible for their actions? \_ Uh.. How exactly does your example relate to the discussion? \_ Well intent does matter in determining whether some acts are a crime or not, but I agree that it's pretty silly and basically amounts to extra crimininization because of the offender's politics. -another liberal \_ I think that using intent to punish people different for the same effect does make sense in most cases. A person who plans out a effect does make sense in many cases. A person who plans out a crime and executes it may pose a greater threat to society as a whole vs. the person who gets caught up in the heat of the moment and overreacts. Almost anyone can misjudge a situation and overreact, while few sit around and plan crimes. The fact someone overreacted once doesn't necessarily imply that they would do so again (though it is suggestive of this; hence the need for incarceration and post release monitoring). The effectiveness of incarceration as a means of correction on those who act w/o a plan may be greater b/c many of them feel regret over their actions and may take steps to prevent the recu- rrence of a similar action. rrence of a similar situation. In addition, the person who gets caught up in the heat of the mo- ment might have made a mistake re the need to defend themselves or others, so they could have a partial (or complete) excuse. This is generally not the case with those who execute a pre-existing plan. [ In the context of hate crime legislation - I think that the existing law are sufficient to punish hate criminals, so I don't really see the need to pass these law. I think that many of them will get passed b/c legislators don't want to look insensitive ] existing laws are sufficient to punish hate criminals, so I don't really see the need to pass new laws. I think that many of them will get passed anyway b/c legislators don't want to look insensitive. ] |
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| csua.org/u/ebc -> americablog.blogspot.com/2005/12/senator-george-allen-r-va-goes-soft-on.html com by John Aravosis & friends "Peppered with obscenity" - Concerned Women for America "A particularly angry activist" - Family Research Council "Bunch of wackos" - Rush Limbaugh Shop AMERICAblog! online store Donate to AMERICAblog OPTION 1: One-time donation You're billed once, that's it. OPTION 2: Recurring Monthly Donation You're billed monthly for the amount entered below. Here's why) We prefer online contributions via the yellow "donate" box in the left-ha nd column, but you can also use snail mail: John Aravosis, PO Box 21831, Wash, DC 20009. Phone: (202) 224-4024 And just FYI, there already is a federal hate crimes law on the books, th is hate crimes amendment in question would simply add gender, disability and sexual orientation to the law that already covers race, religion an d national origin. So tell them to spare us the argument about how hate crimes laws are per se evil when the existing law already covers the ver y people bitching about it. If there's going to be a law on the books, shouldn't it cover eve rybody? US politics overall with a particular focus on the Bush Administration, t he radical right, and gay civil rights. John Aravosis is a Washington DC-based writer and political consultant, s pecializing in using the Internet for political advocacy. John has a joint law degree and masters in foreign service from Georgetow n, where he studied under former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. John's policy experience includes stints in the US Senate, the World Bank , and the Children's Defense Fund. John is also an occasional TV pundit, having appeared on The O'Reilly Factor, Hardball with Chris Matthews, A BCNews World News Tonight, CNN, Court TV, and more. John speaks five lan guages and has visited or worked in 28 countries. Michael Giltz Michael is a freelance writer based in New York City who covers politics, sports, religion and especially pop culture (including movies, music, b ooks, theater, TV, and DVDs). He's written more than one thousand review s, features, opinion columns and cover stories for The Advocate, the New York Post, Entertainment Weekly, Premiere, New York magazine, Out, The Weekly Standard, Disney Adventures, In Theatre, USA Today, the Denver Po st and many others. As an expert on politics and pop culture, Michael Giltz has appeared on T V in Germany, the Basque region, MSNBC and other cable channels. For rad io, he's appeared on NPR in Boston, and other local and nationally syndi cated radio shows including Sirius Satellite Radio's gay and sports chan nels. |
| crooksandliars.com Video-QT I applaud our fearless leader and his attempt to clamp down on the treaso nous and very dangerous Quakers. I was almost sucked into their evil cul t and heinous plot to demonstrate against this war that was cooked up in Lake Worth when I visited my father last year in West Palm Beach. You c an't tell a book by it's cover and these elderly, harmless looking bingo players are much more dangerous than they appear. Vi deo-QT (hat tip David for headline and video) Condi's stop was not in a classified venue so that they couldn't ask ques tions that called for classified answers. Jay Rosen's exce llent piece the day before about the complaints logged against Dan Froom kin's on-line column for the Washington Post. "I cannot comment," was a common response that Harris fell back on to mos t of DeLong's questions. Brad's conclusion was: "My belief--but since he won't answer the questions, I do not know--is that John Harris knew full well that Patrick Ruffini was a onetime Repub lican operative when he characterized him as a "conservative weblogger" to Jay Rosen, but was trying to pull a fast one... read on" Harris sounded like he was on a Law & Order episode and was told to keep his mouth shut by his attorney. How can he not be able to answer a rather simple question- whether he knew Patrick Ruf fini had been a Republican campaign operative in 2004? But what really separates Fox from the competition is its unab ashed use of religion as a divisive weapon. Common sense -- and common c ourtesy -- have long dictated that personal religious beliefs be kept ou t of news reporting unless the story at hand involves religion. But on F ox, it's not uncommon for an anchor to raise the issue of a guest's reli gion, or lack thereof, a propos of nothing... USATODAY story that says: "A $300 million P entagon psychological warfare operation includes plans for placing pro-A merican messages in foreign media outlets without disclosing the US go vernment as the source." Is it acceptable behaviour that the US pays jou rnalists to plant stories in the foreign media? There is a lot of misinformation, there's a lot of rumors, a lot of out right lies out there. We still co nfront myths about September 11th, that crop up all over the world... All the myths seem to be spread around by the administration. link "The fact is, all the intelligence sources and elected officials in both parties did believe there was WMD in Iraq . It seems hard to imagine tha t the press could easily counter that." Link "I'm confident the president knows who the source is," N ovak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is." Frist was on with Harry Smith from the CBS Early Show, and got a spanking over Iraq. Instead of answering his question, Frist pulls out some " Mehlman," talking points. Vid eo-WMP QT coming Smith: Mr Frist, Mr Frist, there were no terrorists in Iraq to begin wit h It is now a haven for terrorists. Frist: You-you can look to the past and the democrats want to go back and try and live through the past and say what if-and the intelligence wasn 't accurate-and let's cut and run... Fineman whacks Woodward Fineman whacks Woodward "Howard Fineman, Newsweek's chief political correspondent, said Monda y night in the first program of a Drew University lecture series, that W ashington Post journalist Bob Woodward had become a "court stenographer" for the Bush administration... FiredogLake: "This flap is brought to you courtesy of the Republica n Party, who will not stand to see itself criticized by a major media ou tlet without seeking to take down the one who is doing so. Harris's past as one of the people who hijacked the natio n and started speaking in tongues over rumors of penis-shaped ornaments on the Clinton Christmas tree, this is hardly surprising.... I got to the point today when my NY "street talk" almost got the best o f me and made it's way onto C&L, after I found out about this one. I sho uld re-phrase my headline and say that they have already bought a number of these supposedly neutral reporters and Corporations to do their dirt y work already. Texas prosecutor has issued subpoenas for bank records and other inf ormation of a defense contractor involved in the bribery case of a Calif ornia congressman as part of the investigation of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. District Attorney Ronnie Earle issued subpoenas late Monday afternoon for California businessmen Brent Wilkes and Max Gelwix, records of Perfect Wave Technologies LLC, Wilkes Corp. in connection with a c ontribution to a fundraising committee at the center of the investigatio n that led to DeLay's indictment on money laundering charges... Imus yesterday, really took a shot at his industry: (loose transcript) Imus: "The Woodward thing has kinda disappeared-isn't it?" Tom: "Now we have the reporter from TIME magazine-(Vi veca) who has gone on leave- Imus: "Oh,, tell me about this." every other week it seems there's another reporter who on the one hand is playing insider footsie with participants in this scandal and then not telling either the reade rs, the customers, or the editors about what you've done and it just mys tifies me. Umm-except for the observation that some in, in my business r eally do seem to relish this role or this fictitious role of insider-ahh h-and, and in the process we forget what we're supposed to do-write what people say in our notebook-and type it up and give it to the boss." Video-QT Tom gets it and is very frustrated at how members of the press have been so deeply involved in the Valerie Plame case. For anyone to still defend Viveca Novak over leaking information to her friend-Rove's attorney-is ludicrous. Digby have to say: " Although Corn expends a great deal of energy lighting up the straw m an, I haven't seen anyone accusing her of being a right wing operative. "Pushing back" shouldn't include exposing her colleague Matt Cooper's source to a thir d party-- Lawrence O'Donnell knew and kept it secret for months because he didn't want to be subpoenaed and God knows how many other people knew it and passed it on to other privileged insiders or kept it to themselv es for selfish reasons. Can't reporters like Corn understand why we poor hapless rubes out here in the hinterlands (not to mention the Justice d epartment) find their shrieking for the last year and half about the san ctity of the confidential source just a little bit self-serving? agree: "Generally, "straight reporters" should not appear in the same discussi ons with the ideological pundits. I have no idea why producers and edito rs let them do so... WNEW-TV5: "Syndicated controversial talk show host Bill O'Reilly said on his radio show: "In Saginaw , Michigan , the township opposes red and green clothi ngon Anyone, In Saginaw Township they basically said anybody, we don't w ant you wearing red or green. I would dress up from head to toe in red t o green if I were in Saginaw Michigan "-Bill O'Reilly. WNEM TV-5 Talked to Saginaw Township supervisor Tim Braun who says O'Reilly's comments ar e flat out not true. Braun goes on to say the township hall has red and green Christmas lights adorning the building at night. On December 12th the Fox News Channel which broadcasts O'Reilly's Cable T V show-The O'Reilly Factor told TV5 it was a radio issue and had nothin g to do with the Fox News Channel. TV5 is contacting O'Reilly's radio pr oducers for their side of the story. democrats continues: "What neither party has done-until now-is inject the idea that the other party is undermining our troops overseas. The RNC is pimping a mute and unnamed soldier not just to defend the Iraq war but to imply that Democ rats are white-handkerchief-waving cowards who want the United States to lose.... On the video itself: "It goes almost without saying that some of the quotes from Democrats are taken out of c ontext in a way that completely distorts their meanings." More was revealed on Hardball today than any of us would have thought pos sible about Vivac, Luskin, Hadley and Rove if true. Special guest stars Jim VandeHei and Nora... |