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12/14 Interesting maps of US religious distributions. I guess the
stereotypes are true.
http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/geo/courses/geo200/religion.html
\_ I didn't realize the South was so Baptist. and so un-Catholic
too. The Mormon map was entertaining.
\_ You know, with the proper demogoguery, perhaps we could get
some regional religious strife going on, like between the
Southern Baptists and the Utah Mormons...
\_ There's been historic friction between precisely those two groups
for quite a while. It's in the last few years that it's been
decreasing. -emarkp
\_ Btw can you attempt to explain the Mormon view of Father, Son,
and Holy Ghost? Is it polytheism?
\_ We don't believe it's polytheism. We reject the "homoousia"
of the Nicene Creed though. And we don't get caught up in
the "filioque" issue that divides Western and Orthodox
churches. -emarkp
\_ You're too busy using your own Bible (BoM) and
inventing your own story of Jesus to worry about
minute details. If MAJOR issues like that exist
then why split hairs?
\_ /My/ Bible is the King James Version. The Book of
Mormon is an additional document, not a replacement.
I also like to use the NASB for study, and I've
learned a bit of Greek for NT reference--my personal
greek copy is a Nestle intralinear. -emarkp
\_ Not a replacement but, correct me if I am
wrong, considered authoritive when there are
conflicts. In that aspect it is a replacement in
the same way the New Testament replaces the Old
Testament. No one else accepts the BofM except
Mormons, which is *THE* issue. What does arguing
minutiae matter at that point? It's like
comparing the Muslim Christ with the Christian
one. The bigger issue is that Mohammed guy.
\_ Consider yourself corrected. Where the BoM
disagrees with extra-Biblical tradition, it is
authoritative. The Bible has passages that
contradict itself, yet that doesn't nullify the
Bible. Yes, only LDS and its offshoots accept
the BoM as scripture--so what? Your claim of
the BoM being "our own" Bible is false. Thanks
for playing. -emarkp
\_ So what about the last part in
Revelation where it claims the Bible to be
final and complete? How does BoM fit into
that? Here are some others:
http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAR002.htm
http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAROO2.htm
\_ "This page cannot be found." Hahaha!
\_ Fixed.
\_ Wow, a whole list of canards. I'll go
ahead and respond to the one you list.
You know revelation was written BEFORE
John's gospel and his epistles? Not
only that, but you know the Bible
wasn't compiled for > 200 years after
John wrote that? Obviously it doesn't
mean what you think it means, or half
the bible would be invalid too.
\_ I'm so moving to Oregon.
\_ You know, religion != scary.
\_ Try telling that to <fill-in-the-victims>.
\_ Yeah, that's as profound and insightful as a bumper
sticker. In other words, not.
\_ Yeah, that's as profound and insightful as a bumper
sticker. In other words, not.
\_ Being surrounded by people who believe that their fate rests
in the hands of an imaginary all-powerful being, consider it
their duty to make sure you believe in the exact same version
of this entity, and for whom this belief dictates their
choice of who should run this country and how... yes, it is
scary.
\_ Well, you're talking about Iran, not the US. 1) your
assertion that the being is imaginary is not indisputed
fact, 2) it's pretty much only Islam that feels it's their
duty to "make sure you believe" exactly the same thing.
Most Christians believe it's important to share what they
believe and urge you to consider it, but not force you to
agree. -emarkp
\_ Replace "Most" with "Some" and you're right. --PM
\_ No, I think it's "most". -emarkp
\_ Yeah, I think this is probably correct. In my
(admittedly limited and biased) experience, most
of the religious people I've met rarely mention
god unless I've brought up the topic. That doesn't
mean there aren't some truly scary christian
freaknuts in every denomination who tend to really
squick out non-religious people disproportionately
to their numbers.... -mice
\_ The Evangelical faction of Christianity holds power at
the moment. You understand what "Evangelical" means,
right? Hint: definition #4 in dict. And as for
"disputed" Uh, everything's disputed. 5-year-olds
will dispute the non-existence of the Easter Bunny.
\_ Yes, it means evangelize. Which means sharing their
beliefs and urging others to accept them. It doesn't
mean forcing, etc. -emarkp
\_ So changing local laws to make things in the 10
commandments illegal isn't forcing? The huge
pro-life lobby isn't forcing the rest of
America to share its views?
\_ bad troll. no cookie.
\_ Why is that a troll? The guy actually
raises a valid example of religious people
attacking rights from a perspective
almost strictly based on their religious
beliefs. (perhaps better exmples could
have been fielded, but the point
exemplified is still valid). -mice
\_ The 10 Commandments are a big part of the
foundation of western civilization.
\_ yeah, that's why you never see
graven images around here.
(You have no clue.) -tom
\_ They are no part of it. Western
civilization goes back to the
Greeks and Romans. They somehow
managed to get things done without
those commandments.
\_ Where's ilyas to tell us they had
"Christian values"?
\_ Please cite examples of anyone trying
to force the 10 commandments into law.
I've never heard of anyone trying to put
1-5,10 into modern law. 6,8, and 9, ARE in
modern law (for good reason). The only
case I can see an argument on is 7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
\_ I'm trying to track exactly who first said
"forcing", oh right. That was you.
\_ I responded to "their duty to /make sure/ you
believe..." -- sounds like forcing to me.
-emarkp
\_ IMO, there's a problem when "sharing and
urging" drifts into "legislating" and
"religiously motivated legislation". At
that point, religion becomes intrusive and
not very respectful of rights and differing
belief systems. -mice (!pp)
\_ I have yet to see that drift, with the
possible exception of ID. -emarkp
\_ How about Reagan's Secretary of the
Interior, whose policies were based
around the idea that we didn't need
to protect the environment because
the rapture was coming. Delusions
endorsed by religion _are_ dangerous
to political policy.
\_ According to him, that's not true.
See http://csua.org/u/eba
-emarkp
\_ "'Voice of God' revealed to be
Cheney on the oval office
intercom"
\_ You don't think a belief that invading
Iraq is a realization of passages
from Revelations played into the
extreme right-wing agenda for the
middle-east?
\_ Nope. -emarkp
\_ Christians to this day persecute and harass gays.
Until very recently, gays were imprisoned for
being gay. This is religious persecution.
\_ emarkp. just a friendly reminder that Muslim only
turned radical when we created Israel. Don't tell
me our unlaterial, unconditional support of Israel
has nothing to do with religion. In this regard,
radical islamic movement is a result, not cause of
US/UK policies.
\_ whoa! someone desperately needs a history of islam
book for christmas!
\_ I disagree with your assessment of history. Radical
(kill all who disagree) Islam has existed for over
1000 years. -emarkp
\_ i.e. half as long as Radical (kill all who disagree)
Christianity.
\_ i.e. half as long as Radical (kill all who
disagree) Christianity.
\_ Most of Christianity has become civilized
in the last century or so.
\_ ^century^800 years
\_ When did the 30 years war end?
\_ Germany was a Christian nation during WW2
\_ So were America and UK. OTOH Hitler
preferred Nordic tribal religions.
\_ Nah, they have been violent since the foundation
of Islam. They just didn't bother the US until
we started meddling in their business.
we started meddling in their business. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536289/posts -jblack |
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| www.valpo.edu/geomet/geo/courses/geo200/religion.html American Ethnic Geography A Cultural Geography of the United States and Canada Map Gallery of Religion in the United States The US Census Bureau, due to issues related to the separation of church and state, does not ask questions related to faith or religion on the d ecennial census. Accordingly, there are few sources of comprehensive dat a on church membership and religious affiliation for the United States. Glenmary Research Center, which publishes Religious Congregations and Membership in the United States, 2000. The following series of county-level choropl eth maps, which reveals the distribution of the larger and more regional ly concentrated church bodies, draws on this resource. |
| www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAR002.htm The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name change d, or is temporarily unavailable. Please try the following: * If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it i s spelled correctly. |
| www.bibletruths.net/archives/BTAROO2.htm The Book of Mormon The religious order known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-da y Saints (Mormons) is a very industrious group. Mormonism looks to Josep h Smith as its founder (there are about twelve major divisions among "Mo rmons"). Mr Smith claimed to have had a visit from the Father and Son a nd the Angel Moroni in 1820 and 1823 respectively. He was allegedly advi sed of his mission and of a book written on golden plates. The plates were translated and in 1830 we had the results: The Book of Mormon. Smith produced two other books befo re his death in 1844, Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Pric e The Book of Mormon Claims to be an account of the ancient inhabitant s of North America, their origin, beliefs, and wars. For example, 3 Neph i informs us that the "other sheep" of John 10: 16 is not a reference to the Gentiles of the East, but to those living in "America" (15: 21-24). The Book of Mormon purports to foretell America's history 2500 years ag o Columbus, fate of the Indians, and the Revolutionary War are all supp osedly foretold (I Nephi. The Book of Mormon tells us the Bible is incomplete and unreliable ( I Nephi 13: 24-32). The book derides those who cherish the Bible as God' s complete revelation: "Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and need no more Bible" (2 Nephi 29: 6). More than the Bible h as been given by God, according to the book, and, of course, the additio nal revelation is the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 29: 10). Joseph Smith cla imed the Book of Mormon was superior to all books, the Bible is not inte nded to be an exception. Hear him: "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would ge t nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." About 18 percent of the book appears to have been copied directly from the King James Version (see 2 Nephi 12: 2, 3 cp. How could you have the exact same wording (classical English of King James Version) when the writing of the alleg ed plates reportedly pre-dated the King James Translation by centuries? Beloved, the Bible and the Book of Mormon are incompatible because t he Bible condemns and forbids all claimed latter day revelations. Mormon ism depends on additional revelation for its distinctive beliefs and ide ntity. However, God's word tells us there were to be no additional revel ations (Jude 3, 2 Pet. In fact, the apostle Pau l taught that even if an angel (including the "angel" Moroni) presents a different gospel, he is accursed (Gal. God's word affirms its sufficiency , the Book of Mormon denies the completeness of the Bible (2 Tim. The Book of Mormon teaches God has flesh and bl ood, the Bible denies this (Ether 3: 8, 9; Th e Book of Mormon says that Jesus is the Father, the Bible teaches they a re separate entities (Ether 3: 14; The Bibl e says Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, the Book of Mormon says Je sus was born in Jerusalem (Matt. Concerned reader, Mormonism is not only foreign to the scriptures, i t is diametrically opposed to God's word. The only way you can be a Morm on is by accepting the Book of Mormon. Accepting the truth found in the Bible makes one a Christian, not a Mormon (Lk. |
| en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments God said to Moses, 'I will come to you in a thick cloud, so that all the people will hear when I speak to you. There was thunder and lightning in the morning, with a heavy cloud on the mountain, and an extremely loud blast of a ram's horn. Moses led the people out of the camp toward the Divine Presence. Mount Sinai was all in smoke because of the Presence that had come down on it. God was in the fire, and its smoke went up like the smoke of a lime kiln. There was the sound of a ram's horn, increasing in volume to a great degree. God came down on Mount Sinai, to the peak of the mountain. Moses went down to the people and conveyed this to them." you, your son, your daughter, your slave, your maid, your animal, and the foreigner in your gates. It was during the six weekdays that God made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on Sunday. You will then live long on the land that God your Lord is giving you. Do not testify as a false witness against your neighbor. Do not be envious of your neighbor's wife, his slave, his maid, his ox, his donkey, or anything else that is your neighbor's." edit Written in stone According to the Bible, God inscribed the Ten Commandments into stone: "G od said to Moses, 'Come up to Me, to the mountain, and remain there. Mekhilta de Rabbi Ishmael, de-ba-Hodesh 5 ) discuss the placement of the ten commandments on two tablets. Accordin g to Rabbi Hanina ben Gamaliel, five commandments were engraved on the f irst tablet and five on the other, whereas the Sages contended that ten were written on each. E, were duplicated on stone with a copy for each party, and the subordinate party would place their copy of the pact in the main temple to his god, in oath to the king (cf. Talmud (tractate Shabbat 104a) explains that there were mir acles involved with the carving on the tablets. One was that the carving went the full thickness of the tablets. There is a letter in the Hebrew alphabet called a samech that looks similar to the letter "O" in the En glish alphabet. The stone in the center part of the letter should have f allen out, as it was not connected to the rest of the tablet, but it did not; Kin g James Version of the Bible are the most well-known in the English-spea king world, they do not conform to today's usage: "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "You shall not murder." Different groups have divided the commandments in different ways. Protestants (except Lutherans) separate all six verses into two differen t commands (one being "no other gods" and the other being "no graven ima ges"). The initial reference to Egyptian bondage is important enough to Jews that it forms a separate commandment. Catholics and Lutherans separ ate the two kinds of coveting (namely, of goods and of the flesh), while Protestants (but not Lutherans) and Jews group them together. Sefer ha-Chinuch, the first five statements concern the relat ionship between God and human beings, while the second five statements c oncern the relationship between human beings. " - This commandment is to believe in the existence of God. " - This comma ndment is to never take the name of God in a vain oath. In Exodus, the text reads "in a vain oath" ( ' ), while in Deuteronomy it reads "in a false oath" ( ' ). edit Jewish interpretation Jewish thought generally divides the Ten Statements into two halves, the first five dealing with the relationship between God and humanity, and t he second dealing with relationships between people. " The belief in the existence of God, that God exists for all time, that God is the sole creator of all that exists, that God determines the course of events in this world. To turn from these beliefs is to deny God and the essence of Judaism. This prohibits belief in or worship of any additional deities, gods, spirits or incarnations. It is also a prohibition against making or possessing objects that one or other may bow down to or serve such as crucifixes, and any forms of paintings or artistic representations of God. One must not bow down to or serve any being or object but God. One is prohibited from making sculpture of human beings even for the fine arts. " This commandment is to never take the name of God in a vain oath. This includes four types of prohibited oaths: an oath affirming as true a matter one knows to be false, an oath that affirms the patently obvious, an oath denying the truth of a matter one knows to be true, and an oath to perform an act that is beyond one's capabilities. Each day of the Exodus, God provided food to the Jews to collect except on the Sabbath. Instead a double portion was provided the day before the Sabbath. " The obligation to honor one's parents is an obligation that one owes to God and fulfills this obligation through one's actions towards one's parents. Code of Hammurabi) that do not call for equal respect of the father and the mother. ", and draw lessons from this that a person should respect parents (and by implication, elders) only somewhat less than one would God himself, and that parents should be moral guidance to a person as God is to society. killing, and explicitly notes that murder is always a heinous sin, while killing is sometimes necessary, and in these cases just in the eyes of God. Thus, Jews take offense at translations which state "Thou shall not kill", which Jews hold to be a flawed interpretation, for there are circumstances in which one is required to kill, such as if killing is the only way to prevent one person from murdering another. " One is forbidden to desire and plan how one may obtain that which God has given to another. Maimonides makes a distinction in codifying the laws between the instruction given here in Exodus (You shall not covet) and that given in Deuteronomy (You shall not desire), according to which one does not violate the Exodus commandment unless there is a physical action associated with the desire, even if this is legally purchasing an envied object. original Hebrew script and harmoniz es many of its contradictions. One example of such recension is found in the Ten Commandments: Here the Exodus and Deuteronomy versions have bee n combined in Exodus, thus removing any difficulties, such as whether to "remember" or "keep" the Sabbath. Mount Gerizim, which for the Samaritans is eq uivalent to Jerusalem for the Jews. Thus the selection of Mount Garizim as the chosen spot where the memorial stones were to be placed, upon which the words of these Commandments were to be written, and where an altar was to be built and the sanctuary established, was thus no longer a mere stray Commandment found in various verses in Deuteronomy. Whereas the Jewish version reads, 'in all places where I will record my Name', the Samaritan versio n reads, 'in that place where I have caused my Name to be recorded', wit h that place of course being Mount Gerizim. The verses which follow the Decalogue in Exodus and in Deuteronomy are a direct continuation of the Revelation, containing additional commandment s that God gave to Moses. In the Jewish Torah, the discrepancies here ar e greater than those of the Decalogue, but in the Samaritan recension th ese have mostly been ironed out. And it shall come to pass when the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land of the Canaanites whither thou goest to take possession of it, thou shalt erect unto thee large stones, and thou shalt cover them with lime, and thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this Law, and it shall come to pass when ye cross the Jordan, ye shall erect these stones which I command thee upon Mount Gerizim, and thou shalt build there an altar unto the Lord thy God, an altar of stones, and thou shalt not lift upon them iron, of perfect stones shalt thou build tine altar, and thou shalt bring upon it burnt offerings to the Lord thy God, and thou shalt sacrifice peace offerings, and thou shalt eat there and rejoice before the Lord thy God. That mountain is on the other side of the Jordan at the end of the road towards the going down of the sun in the land of the Canaanites who dwell in the Arabah facing Gilgal close by Elon Moreh facing Shechem. And all the people heard the voices an... |
| csua.org/u/eba -> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/20/AR2005052001333.html All RSS Feeds The Religious Left's Lies By James Watt Saturday, May 21, 2005; Page A19 The religious left's political operatives have mounted a shrill attack on a significant portion of the Christian community. Four out of five evan gelical Christians supported President Bush in 2004 -- a third of all ba llots cast for him, according to the Pew Research Center. Factor in Cath olics and members of other conservative religious communities and it's c lear that the religious right is the largest voting bloc in today's Repu blican Party. Political opportunists in its ranks sought a wedge issue to weaken the GOP's coalition of Jews, Catholics and evang elicals and shatter its electoral majority. They passed over obvious hea dliners and landed on a curious but cunning choice: the environment. Tho se leading the charge are effective advocates: LBJ alumnus Bill Moyers o f PBS fame, members of the National Council of Churches USA and liberal theologians who claim a moral superiority to other people of faith. I encountered them more than 20 years ago as President Reagan's secretary of the interior, when I clashed with extrem e environmental groups adept at taking out of context -- or in some case s creating -- statements that, once twisted, were attributed to me as if they were my religious views. Now political activists of the religious left are refreshing those two-de cades-old lies and applying them with a broad brush to whole segments of the Christian community: "people who believe the Bible," members of Con gress and "Rapture proponents." If these merging groups -- the extreme e nvironmentalists and the religious left -- are successful in their campa ign, the Christian community will be marginalized, its conservative valu es maligned and its electoral clout diminished. Last December Moyers received an environmental award from Harvard Univers ity. About three paragraphs into the speech, after attacking the Bush ad ministration, Moyers said: "James Watt told the US Congress that prote cting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. They are the people who belie ve the Bible is literally true -- one-third of the American electorate i f a recent Gallup poll is accurate." I know no Chri stian who believes or preaches such error. The Bible commands conservati on -- that we as Christians be careful stewards of the land and resource s entrusted to us by the Creator. Moyers then attacked the congressional leadership, some by name, saying that "we're not talking about a handfu l of fringe lawmakers who hold or are beholden to these beliefs. Nearly half the US Congress before the recent election -- 231 legislators in total and more since the election -- are backed by the religious right." A liberal theologian and active par ticipant in the National Council of Churches, Barbara R Rossing of the Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago, published a book titled "The Rap ture Exposed." In it she attacks a large segment of the Christian commun ity after attributing to me erroneous motives and beliefs on the basis o f a fragment of a sentence taken out of context. Rossing contends that C hristians who believe in the Rapture presume that there is no need for s tewardship of natural resources because of the expected return of the Lo rd. She writes: "Watt told US senators that we are living at the brink of the end-times and implied that this justifies clear-cutting the nati on's forest and other unsustainable environmental policies. Rossing fictionalizes this whole scenario and neglects to finish the sent ence, which was as follows: "I do not know how many future generations w e can count on before the Lord returns; whatever it is we have to manage with a skill to leave the resources needed for future generations." Moyers, to his credit, has made a personal apology to me. But there has b een no apology for the affront to major segments of the Christian commun ity. and to reject teachings that suggest humans are 'called' to exploit the Earth without care for how our behav ior impacts the rest of God's creation. This false gospel still fi nds its proud preachers and continues to capture its adherents among emb oldened political leaders and policymakers." If such a body of belief exists, I would totally reject it, as would all of my friends. When asked who believed such error, where adherents to th is "false gospel" might be found, the NCC turned to its theological sour ces, Moyers and a magazine called Grist, which had also apologized to me . I then contacted the chairman of the NCC task force and asked him abou t the "some people" who believe this false gospel and the "proud preache rs" advancing this false gospel. Never un derestimate the political impact of the twisted charges by extreme envir onmentalists now advanced by the religious left to divide the people of faith. The writer was secretary of the interior from January 1981 to November 19 83. |
| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536289/posts history ASSEMBLY DISTRICT 68 ASSEMBLYMAN VAN TRAN Issues: Press Releases Tran Blast Dean, Calls For Solidarity In Iraq "Dean's comments are irresponsible and revisionist" WASHINGTON, DC On Monday, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howar d Dean said during an interview with WOAI radio in San Antonio, TX, Of course, the South Vietnamese couldnt manage to support their own countr y Deans comments are irresponsible and revisionist, said California Asse mblyman Van Tran (R-Costa Mesa), the first Vietnamese-American legislato r in America. Instead of undermining our war effort, Dean should focus on joining the rest of Americans in supporting our troops. South Vietnam only fell after Congress lost the will to support our alli es. Their terrible decision in 1975 has led to three decades of tyranny in that country, where freedom is persecuted and political choice doesn t exist. To maintain se curity in the region and to continue an aggressive prosecution of the Wa r on Terror, American must continue to support the new government in Ira q and help them establish stability there. I am particularly offended by Deans attempt to pull the Vietnamese peop le into his political strategy. Like the oppressed people from Cuba, the Vietnamese people have a strong love of freedom and democracy. Millions have died and more have been imprisoned trying to secure those freedoms . After the January elections in Iraq I wrote: I still mourn the dreadful situation in Vietnam, where human rights are crushed and freedom is a distant dream. Our loss there helps Sundays ac hievement to shine even brighter as a symbol of hope to the world. Sundays vote was a great step toward the promise of democracy, but only one step up the long stairway of a truly democratic society. Remember i t took Japan and Germany about ten years to govern independently after t heir surrender in 1945 (it was four years before the first election in G ermany). The progress in Iraq has been heart warming and should help us to reaffirm our values as this troubled nation continues the path to dem ocracy. The terrorists are trying to win this war by challenging Americas spiri t and returning us to a status where we just react to future attacks. Th ey have succeeded in bringing the unwitting Dean to their efforts, but w e can not just bury our head and wait. BUSH/CHENEY's immediate answer to the Attacks of 911 was to start bringin g Freedom to the oppressed peoples & cultures of the world as America's own best self protection against future terrorist attacks here at home. California State Assemblyman Van Tran is the 1st Vietnamese-American to t ake office as a State Legislator in United States History, being sworn i n on December 6, 2004. View Replies To: saveliberty "South Vietnam only fell after Congress lost the will to support our alli es. Their terrible decision in 1975 has led to three decades of tyranny in that country, where freedom is persecuted and political choice doesn' t exist. View Replies To: saveliberty even though he speaks first-hand about what happened in Nam and why we ca n't let it happen again, it's only a matter of time before he's attacked as being "out of the mainstream".. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE From his press release: "Assemblyman Van Tran Assembly District 68 Proudly Serving: Costa Mesa, G arden Grove, Westminster, Fountain Valley, Anaheim, Stanton, Newport Bea ch. View Replies To: GeorgiaDawg32 Oh, Dean should get a paycheck from Rove, he's so good for us. But Tran is doing an important thing in challenging the conventional wisd om that the withdrawal from Vietnam is a good thing. Howard Dean will take no time at all to get back to the business of disru pting his party. However, he is at risk as it's visible to seasoned Dems that he is trying to control the party message and is doing it badly fo r them. So by attacking Dean, we are in fact strengthening his position in the DN C Some kneejerkism just can't be stopped. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE Funny how actions have consequences, and thanks to the dems treachery in Vietnam, Tran is a true American patriot. What other action was possible by Bush and Cheney after 9/11? View Replies To: saveliberty Thanks for the ping, Saveliberty. If the Dems want to link Iraq to Viet Nam, then this is th e perfect analogy. It is whether the Dems will be allowed to sabotage this nasce nt victory the same way they sabotaged the impending victory earlier in Viet Nam. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE I have been ashamed of what my country did to the Vietnamese people for 3 0 years. Had the spineless critters in congress not cut off funding mill ions of people in that part of the world would still be living. Jacka$$ idiots like Dean and Kerry should keep their mouths shut about things th ey know nothing about. The MSM aggressively propagates the malicious falsehoods every radical Bu sh-hating entity promulgations. In what can rightly be viewed as a form of "Information Warfare" these "G uardians of the peoples right to know" are active participants in a coordinated assault on the presidency of Geo rge W Bush. Sam Johnson (R-Texas), the cRats and the MSM together are engaging in direct attacks on this nation which far more insidious and fa r more dangerous to us as a nation than are attacks of terrorists. View Replies To: Mo1 Ben Stein has written a lot about this in the context of the liberal glee at getting Nixon, at the expense of a genocide in Cambodia and commie v ictory in Vietnam. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE Van Tran is one of the fortunate Vietnamese who made it to freedom and he knows how disasterous the words of Dean and his ilk can be. God Bless him, unlike Dean, he knows what an American patriot is made of and he lives it. View Replies To: ALOHA RONNIE As a direct result of a Democrat-controlled US Congress cutting off of funds for the then Free South Vietnamese to continue fighting for their own Freedom... Thanks for the ping and continued success to Freedom Fighter Assemblyman Van Tran. There were lots of FReepers there and I was really honored to have the ch ance to meet Jim Robinson, to shake his hand (and give him a hug) and th ank him for Free Republic! View Replies Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. |