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12/7 Iran sympathizes the Nazis.
http://csua.org/u/e7z (Yahoo! News)
"Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with
Holocaust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the
number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated."
\_ I just want to point out that if Godwin's law weren't bullshit,
this thread would already be dead.
\_ That is not fair. A lot of people were sympathetic with Nazi for a
very simple reason: a lot of people has suffered greatly under
British imperial rule. Nazi being enemy of Britian, many people
are sympathetic toward them as result. Moral of story: there is
a history before WW-2.
\_ This has nothing to do with "my enemy's enemy is my friend".
This has everything to do with agreeing with people saying "oh,
wiping out xyz wasn't so bad." -John
\_ That's pretty bizarre. Why wouldn't they be interviewing the people
who brag that they killed lots of Jews? Isn't Jew-killing a good
thing to most Arab nations?
\_ But that would confirm that Jew are victims, which would lead to
"Jews deserve more", which is a bad thing to Arab nations. I
think "Jews screaming 'victims' to deceive world" is a better
thing to most Arab nations.
\_ Remember, to Muslim Arabs, Jews don't count. Deaths of jewish
children don't even register. So maybe 6 million Jews were
killed, but they're not really people, so....
\_ you have no sense of history. Jews traditionaly seek
refuge in Arab countries because Arabs were much more
tolerante of Jews than Christian Europeans. This is why
you find Jewish temple in Bagdad.
\_ Not because any of the caliphates or their client states
had any particular love for jews or christians -- they
were just more pragmatic about tolerating certain groups
of infidels and not whacking them out of principle. -John
\_ You have no sense of the present. Muslim Arabs blame
everything on the Jews today, and extremists like Iran's
president don't think twice about killing Jews.
\_ I think he knew that. No one replied because it was
a troll.
\_ Dude, there's no Jewish temple in Baghdad. There's a
synagog...
\_ How do you know it wasn't exagerrated?
\_ Because if you knew anything about it, you'd know the Nazis kept
meticulous records about all of it. Thank you for playing.
\_ Not really. Not about x people gassed etc. I've looked into
this some. If you look at estimates they vary quite a bit, and
have changed over time, even from sympathetic sources so it's
nothing new. Where would you put the number?
\_ Quite really. Where would your sources put the number?
And frankly, does it matter exactly how many millions once
you get into counting millions anyway? It's stupid to
attempt to say that whatever the number was it was too low
to be important which is what the Iranians and others are
trying to claim for their own political motives, not
because they have an academic interest in WWII era history.
\_ I was going to put something here but you said it. It
does not matter if it's 6 million or 6.5 million. It's
a shitload according to all but the most determined
revisionist sources with an agenda. -John
\_ Well I'm not attempting to say that. And that's not what
was mentioned by the op's blurb. Is there a difference
between 2 and 6 mil? I think it is relevant to study
the actual circumstances because it helps understand
how it happened. Ok yeah the Iranians have an agenda
here. I'm not arguing about that. But actually
sympathizing with revisionist historians is not
identical to sympathizing with Nazis. Shrug.
\_ most revisionist historians are nazi white
supremacist shitheads. |
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| csua.org/u/e7z -> news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/wl_afp/iranisraelgermany_051208164944 Ahmadinejad, who sparked an international outcry in October when he said Israel "must be wiped off the map", also repeated his view Thursday that the Jewish state was a "tumour". "Now that you believe the Jews were oppressed, why should the Palestinian Muslims have to pay the price?" the hardline president asked in an inte rview with Iran's Arabic-language satellite channel, Al-Alam. "Why did you come to give a piece of Islamic land and the territory of th e Palestinian people to them? "You oppressed them, so give a part of Europe to the Zionist regime so th ey can establish any government they want. We would support it," he said , according to a transcript of his original Farsi-language comments give n to AFP. "So, Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your pr ovinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there which a ll of Europe will support and the problem will be solved at its root," h e said. "Why do they insist on imposing themselves on other powers and creating a tumour so there is always tension and conflict?" Al-Alam said Ahmadinejad was speaking in the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia where he was attending a two-day meeting of the Organisation of t he Islamic Conference that opened Wednesday. "Is it not true that European countries insist that they committed a Jewi sh genocide? They say that Hitler burned millions of Jews in furnaces .. "Then because the Jews have been oppressed during the Second World War, t herefore they (the Europeans) have to support the occupying regime of Qo ds (Jerusalem). He also noted that European countries "believe in this so much and are so determined that any researcher who denies it (the Holocaust) with histo rical evidence is dealt with in a most harsh way and sent to prison." The Holocaust was Nazi Germany's systematic slaughter of an estimated six million Jews between 1933 and 1945, mainly in the latter years of World War II. Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with Holoc aust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated. But the president said that "the best solution is resistance so that the enemies of the Palestinians accept the reality and the right of the Pale stinian people to have land." Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks during the second day of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) meeting in the holy Mu slim city of Mecca in western Saudi Arabia. The info rmation contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast , rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agen ce France Presse. |