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| 2005/11/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40694 Activity:moderate |
11/22 Yay, Fox News takes an AP story and does the global search and replace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176345,00.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_051122190101
\_ They forgot to replace 'insurgent' with 'homosexual America-hater.'
\_ Fox also removed the name of the AP Reporter.
\_ Aren't all bombs "homicide bombs" by definition? Suicide bomber
conveys more information than homicide bomber.
\_ I think "homicide bomb" may fail to suggest that the bomber
is also sacrificing his own life. "suicide bomber" is fine
for me. Why don't we just call them "murder bomber" if we're
propagandizing?
\_ Doesn't "suicide bomber" fail to suggest that the bomber is
also sacrificing (and intends to sacrifice) other people's
lives? (I do think it's stupid propaganda.)
\_ "Sacrifice"? That almost denotes something halfway noble.
And why is calling it "murder" propaganda? -John
\_ I guess my only real point is that "homicide bomb"
and "homicide bomber" just sound stupid. We get it,
they're murderers. They're bastards. Yes, we get it.
But they also committed suicide. They're... suicide
bombers.
\_ because murder signifies that we are in the right;
realize that a lot of the insurgents do it out of
revenge for lost loved ones in the war, and feel as
righteous and justified as we are in this war.
leaving it as suicide bomber is a more neutral term.
\_ Um, this is one of the stupider things I've read in
a long time. WTF? Who gives a shit "why"?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder - looks
like a pretty clear case to me. There is no fucking
justification for it. None. At. All. And don't
give me shit about "he was aiming for combatants" or
"yes but xyz is also murder." I don't want "neutral."
It's brutish, malicious, primitive and criminal.
Ergo, "murder", QED. -John
\_ same thing US troops just did/have been doing.
death = death, eye for an eye
\_ This is the same kind of idiotic, cowardly
equivocation I hear from a lot of pseudo-intel-
lectual types here. (a) US troops don't target
civilians and (b) if they do it's a crime and
should be punished. Go away. -John
\_ My revenge against the Americans is to blow up a
Jordan wedding party! (Or a bunch of school kids,
Jordian wedding party! (Or a bunch of school kids,
take your pick)
\_ sure, soon as you lose a son, brother, close
friend, etc, you may feel differently
\_ No, I can say with pretty much 100% certainty
that losing any number of friends and/or
relatives will not result in me wanting to
blow up completely unrelated innocent people.
\_ Whoever you are, when you lose a relative or close
friend for whatever reason and decide that mowing
down a pile of civilians with your car is the
right answer, please make sure to do this far far
away from here. You're a nutter. Thanks.
\_ I'm just exploring the muslim psyche. It's
not what I'd do personally - I've got too
much to lose. Your average Iraqi/
Palestinian probably doesn't.
\_ Why not? They're not human? They don't
love? They don't have parents and children
and wives and husbands? Are their lives
truly so empty because they can't get an
XBox360 on the first day at Walmart? What
exactly is so valuable about your life that
isn't about theirs?
\_ Their family might have been wiped out,
their home destroyed, no job prospects,
no hope for the future.
\_ So that would inspire one to strap on
a bomb and blow up a wedding in a
different country full of people who
were most likely sympathetic to your
cause and loss. Good plan.
\_ The Jordan bombing was stupid.
Suicide bombers have been
brainwashed and/or weren't that
clever to begin with
\_ You understand that these were
higher ups in the Iraqi branch
of the Al-Q organisation, right?
These were not teenagers pulled
from some West Bank slum. These
were leaders, not the brain-
washed masses.
\_ So what? Even if they are, they
are committing a conscious act,
and are almost always driven to
do so by someone else (the
"higher-ups" mentioned above.)
Trying to "understand" is fine,
but a lot of this sounds much
closer to justification. -John
\_ The English usage of "murder" denotes something more
personal. While both "murder" and "homicide" are
technically correct, homicide is much drier, less
emotionally connected.
\_ s/denotes/has the connotation of/ |
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| www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176345,00.html Kirkuk, killing at least 17 people, and three US soldiers died in two separate attacks, pushing the American death t oll in Iraq to 2,100, officials said. In Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, insurgents fired a mortar at a U S ceremony attended by top officials to hand over a presidential palace to Iraqi authorities, sending the US ambassador and top commander scr ambling for cover but causing no injuries. The attackers in Kirkuk lured the patrol to a busy commercial street by s hooting a policemen, then struck with the homicide bomb as authorities i nvestigated the shooting, said police Capt. The bombing took place on a road leaving Kirkuk, 180 miles north of Baghdad. Sarhad Qader gave the casualty figure of 17 dead and 26 wounded but did not say how many were civilians. Insurgents last week in Kirkuk opened fire on a police patrol, killing three officers, while a roadside bomb a few miles away killed two more police officers. The US military said a US soldier assigned to the 2nd Marine Division wask killed after a bomb detonated near his vehicle Monday near Habaniy ah, 50 miles west of Baghdad. There are several US Army units assigned to the Marine division. Task Force Freedom were killed Saturday by small arms fire while on patrol in Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Bag hdad, another statement said. As of Tuesday, at least 2,100 members of the US military have died sinc e the beginning of the Iraq war in 2003, according to an Associated Pres s count. At least 1,638 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers. The attack on the ceremony in Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad, occurred as a US colonel was giving a speech. A mortar whistled as it fell int o a field about 300 yards away from the palace, but it failed to explode , according to an AP reporter at the scene. US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and the US commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, briefly went inside the palace, but emerged a few minutes later to continue the ceremony. "This was an ineffectual attempt to stop the progress that goes on every day in Iraq," said Lt. Later, Hamad Hamoud Shagtti, the Salahuddin provincial governor, received a symbolic key to the palace and a deputy governor raised the Iraqi fla g over the complex. They toured the building, which Saddam ordered built for his mother in 1991 and is considered the largest and most elaborate of the palaces constructed during his rule. Johnson said the handover of the palace was an important step forward in Iraq's development, something that insurgent attacks have done little to slow down, despite daily violence. The palace is part of a complex on more than 1,000 acres overlooking the Tigris River. The turnover of the complex to the Finance Ministry and the provincial go vernment was "a landmark event highlighting the increased capability of the Iraqi government to administer and govern itself," said a statement by Col. Billy J Buckner, a spokesman for the Multi-National Corps-Iraq. Since it was taken over by US troops in 2003, the palace has served as a division headquarters for US forces based in the region. "Although 28 other coalition operating bases have already been turned ove r to Iraqi Security Forces control this year, the Tikrit Palace complex is the most significant transition of real estate thus far," the US st atement said. Iraq's anti-corruption commission said Tuesday that members of the former government who are under investigation will not be allowed to run in ne xt month's parliamentary elections. Judge Radhi al-Radhi issued a statement saying there are some ministers, undersecretaries and directors who are accused of financial and administ rative corruption. "Since there are financial corruption dossiers for these officials at the Iraqi special courts, they are not qualified to take part as candidates in the coming elections," the statement said. |
| news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_051122190101 Saddam Hussein 's hometown of Tikrit, insurgents fired a mortar at a US ceremony atten ded by top officials to hand over a presidential palace to Iraqi authori ties, sending the US ambassador and top commander scrambling for cover but causing no injuries. The attackers in Kirkuk lured the patrol to a busy commercial street by s hooting a policemen, then struck with the suicide bomb as authorities in vestigated the shooting, said police Capt. The bombing took place on a road leaving Kirkuk, 180 miles north of Baghdad. Sarhad Qader gave the casualty figure of 17 dead and 26 wounded but did not say how many were civilians. Insurgents last week in Kirkuk opened fire on a police patrol, killing three officers, while a roadside bomb a few miles away killed two more police officers. The US military said a US soldier assigned to the 2nd Marine Division wask killed after a bomb detonated near his vehicle Monday near Habaniy ah, 50 miles west of Baghdad. There are several US Army units assigned to the Marine division. In addition, two soldiers from Task Force Freedom were killed Saturday by small arms fire while on patrol in Mosul, 225 miles northwest of Baghda d, another statement said. As of Tuesday, at least 2,100 members of the US military have died sinc e the beginning of the Iraq war in 2003, according to an Associated Pres s count. At least 1,638 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers. The attack on the ceremony in Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad, occurred as a US colonel was giving a speech. A mortar whistled as it fell int o a field about 300 yards away from the palace, but it failed to explode , according to an AP reporter at the scene. US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and the US commander in Iraq, Gen. Geo rge Casey, briefly went inside the palace, but emerged a few minutes lat er to continue the ceremony. "This was an ineffectual attempt to stop the progress that goes on every day in Iraq," said Lt. Later, Hamad Hamoud Shagtti, the Salahuddin provincial governor, received a symbolic key to the palace and a deputy governor raised the Iraqi fla g over the complex. They toured the building, which Saddam ordered built for his mother in 1991 and is considered the largest and most elaborate of the palaces constructed during his rule. Johnson said the handover of the palace was an important step forward in Iraq's development, something that insurgent attacks have done little to slow down, despite daily violence. The palace is part of a complex on more than 1,000 acres overlooking the Tigris River. The turnover of the complex to the Finance Ministry and the provincial go vernment was "a landmark event highlighting the increased capability of the Iraqi government to administer and govern itself," said a statement by Col. Billy J Buckner, a spokesman for the Multi-National Corps-Iraq. Since it was taken over by US troops in 2003, the palace has served as a division headquarters for US forces based in the region. "Although 28 other coalition operating bases have already been turned ove r to Iraqi Security Forces control this year, the Tikrit Palace complex is the most significant transition of real estate thus far," the US st atement said. Iraq's anti-corruption commission said Tuesday that members of the former government who are under investigation will not be allowed to run in ne xt month's parliamentary elections. Judge Radhi al-Radhi issued a statement saying there are some ministers, undersecretaries and directors who are accused of financial and administ rative corruption. "Since there are financial corruption dossiers for these officials at the Iraqi special courts, they are not qualified to take part as candidates in the coming elections," the statement said. A commission official, who asked not to be identified because he is not a uthorized to speak to the press, said Minister of Public Works Nasreen B erwari, who is the wife of Vice President Ghazi al-Yawer, and Hazin al-S haalan, a former defense minister, are among those banned. In this picture released by the US Marine Corps, and made available Tuesday, Nov. Paul J Kolkhor st, an antitank assaultmen, left, stands ready to advance with the Marin eS of Company I, 3rd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment, Regimental Combat T eam - 2 during Steel Curtain operation, in Qaim, Iraq, Tuesday, Nov. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. |
| dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder Pronunciation Ke y (mr d r) n 1 The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premedi tated malice. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. Idioms: get away with murder Informal To escape punishment for or detection of an egregiously blameworthy act. murder will out Secrets or misdeeds will eventually be disclosed. Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Amme r Copyright 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Main Entry: murder Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r Function: noun Etymology: partly from Old English morthor; partly from Old French murdre , of Germanic origin : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing another under circums tances defined by statute (as with premeditation); M ANSLAUGHTER NOTE: Self-defense, necessity, and lack of capacity for criminal responsi bility (as because of insanity) are defenses to a charge of murder. Most state statutes and the US Code divide murder into two degrees. Florid a, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania currently have three degrees of murder. depravedheart murder /di-'prAvd-'hrt-/ : a murder that is the result of an act which is dangerous to others and shows that the perpetrator has a depraved mind and no regard for human l ife NOTE: Depraved-heart murder is usually considered second- or third-degree murder. MANSLAUGHTE R NOTE: Felony murder is usually considered first-degree murder. Felony mur der does not require specific intent to kill, and an accessory to the fe lony may also be charged with the murder. Source: WordNet 20, 2003 Princeton University murder Wilful murder was distinguished from accidental homicide, and was invaria bly visited with capital punishment (Num. Thi s law in its principle is founded on the fact of man's having been made in the likeness of God (Gen. The Mosiac law prohibited any compensation for murder or the reprieve of the murderer (E x 21:12, 14; If the murderer could not be discovered, the city nearest the scene of the murder was required to m ake expiation for the crime committed (Deut. These offences also wer e to be punished with death, striking a parent; |