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11/9    http://csua.org/u/dyz
        Google.  Don't be evil.  Unless you're us.
        keywords: jet 767 boeing learjet
        \_ I don't get it.  What's evil about having your own jet?  I mean,
           it sounds like they're actually being quite practical by buying
           a used jet and refurbishing it, rather than blowing the budget on
           a Gulfstream.
           \_ How much fuel does a 767-200 use compared to how much a prius
              saves?
              \_ how much sodium is an apple vs. how many calories an orange
                 saves?
                 \_ Google gives bonuses for Prius drivers.  Not for
                    orange/apple eaters.
              \_ I remember reading somewhere that when a 747 loaded with
                 passengers travels from England to Egypt to see the pyramids,
                 the trip back and forth burns more energy than was required
                 to build the pyramids.
                 \_ An almost-fully occupied 747 gets 100 person-miles per
                    gallon.  Much better than most hybrid car when you drive
                 \_ A almost-fully occupied 747 gets 100 miles per gallon per
                    person.  Much better than any hybrid car when you drive
                    solo.  Even better than some SUVs when fully occupied.
                    http://travel.howstuffworks.com/question192.htm
                    \_ Of course, it's not a 747, it's a 767, and it won't be
                       fully occupied.  In the article it's mentioned that
                       "Gore Design" is redoing the interior.  I doubt it will
                       have the capacity as an unmodified 767.  Though we can
                       guess that it's "more than 50".  That makes it more like
                       10 person-miles per gallon (if comparable to a 747).
           \_ Also, they bought it though a tax shelter INC in Delaware.  Nice.
        \_ Last I checked, there weren't any natural-gas, solar, hybrid or
        battery-powered airplanes. If they were up for buying a jet, into
        which they plan to put a lot of people in, their choice is fine.
        \_ I think you may be confusing "evil" with "wasteful".  The fact
           that my rich, well-fed ass is sitting here, posting to motd instead
           of helping children in Uzbekistan, Upper Volta learn their ABCs
           and feeding Dinty Moore beef stew to starving penguins in
           Argentina, is also wasteful and socially irresponsible.  Oh, the
           weltschmerz.  Shoot the rich!  -John
           \_ If you haven't seen it, you whould watch Eat The Rich.  It has
              Lemmy Kilmister in it.
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Personalized Home Page Setup Put headlines on your homepage about the companies, industries and topics that interest you most. Wide-Flying Moguls: Google Duo's New Jet Is a Boeing 767-200 Included Are Two Staterooms, A Shower, Seats for 50; It's 'Good for the World' By KEVIN J DELANEY, J LYNN LUNSFORD and MARK MAREMONT Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL November 4, 2005; Page A1 On the road, Sergey Brin and Larry Page have owned environmentally friend ly hybrid vehicles such as the Toyota Prius. The 767-200, typically an airline workhorse, is an unusual executive jet. The Italian Air Force has ordered a modified 767 as a n airborne tanker for refueling military jets. The 767-200 is almost 70% longer and more than three times as heavy as a conventional executive j et, such as a high-end Gulfstream. Mr Page says his plane will hold about 50 passengers when its refurbishm ent is complete. A top Gulfstream business jet typically carries 15 or f ewer. People in the aviation industry familiar with the planned interior say it will have a sitting area, two staterooms with adjoining lavatories and a shower. At the rear will be 12 to 16 first-clas s seats for guests or employees and a large galley. Tech moguls delight in public one-upmanship and the Google founders' 767 raises the bar. co-founder Paul Allen owns a fleet o f aircraft, but his flagships -- two Boeing 757s -- are smaller than Mes srs. It also marks a new level of consumption by th e Google executives, who have shunned most trappings of the super-rich d espite a combined net worth estimated at more than $20 billion. Federal Aviation Administration records suggest that this plane, formerl y owned by Qantas Airways, is the one recently purchased by Google found ers Sergey Brin and Larry Page. Federal Aviation Administration records suggest that this plane, formerly owned by Qantas Airways, is the one recently purchased by Google founde rs Sergey Brin and Larry Page. Mr Page acknowledges that the purchase might seem ostentatious. But "we tend to have an engineering approach, to be fact-based," he says. That's roughly one- third the price of a new Gulfstream 550 business jet. In addition, the 7 67 can carry more passengers and can include sleeping accommodations. Th e Google co-founders wanted to fit more than 50 people but were limited by federal aviation rules, Mr Page says. Filled to capacity, it's poten tially cheaper to run, per person than a Gulfstream. Mr Page says he and Mr Brin bought the plane themselves and will use it for personal travel. He says there's no plan for Google to reimburse th e duo for its costs. A Google spokesman says the plane has no formal con nection with the company. As for what they plan to do with it, Mr Page wouldn't be specific. He sa ys "part of the equation for this sort of machinery is to be able to tak e large numbers of people to places such as Africa. org, a program for corporate philanthropy and sociall y minded investments that is funding projects in Africa and elsewhere. Evidence suggests that the 767 in question flew for over a decade in Qant as Airways' fleet with the airline's red-and-white kangaroo logo on its tail. Federal Aviation Administration records show that the Qantas 767 was boug ht in March by a limited-liability company registered in Delaware. On a recent day, calls to that number were answered by a voicemail system announcing that "Eric Sc hmidt is not available. Mr Schm idt, Google's chief executive, didn't return a message left on the machi ne. He and Mr Brin, through a spokesman, declined to comment for this a rticle. According to FAA records, the jet also shares an address, phone number an d contact name with another Delaware company. 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Shop for Much Fuel Does An International Plane Use For A Trip? A plane like a Boeing 747 uses approximately 1 gallon of fuel (about 4 li ters) every second. Over the course of a 10-hour flight, it might burn 3 6,000 gallons (150,000 liters). According to Boeing's Web site, the 747 burns approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile (12 liters per kilometer) . This sounds like a tremendously poor miles-per-gallon rating! But conside r that a 747 can carry as many as 568 people. Let's call it 500 people t o take into account the fact that not all seats on most flights are occu pied. A 747 is transporting 500 people 1 mile using 5 gallons of fuel. T hat means the plane is burning 001 gallons per person per mile. In othe r words, the plane is getting 100 miles per gallon per person! The typic al car gets about 25 miles per gallon, so the 747 is much better than a car carrying one person, and compares favorably even if there are four p eople in the car. Not bad when you consider that the 747 is flying at 55 0 miles per hour (900 km/h)!