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2005/11/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:40484 Activity:nil
11/8    Analyst says Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002
        http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47242
        There are now multiple witnesses stating Wilson 'outed' his
        wife well before his mission to Africa.
        \_ Slight problem... take a look at
           http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/11/08/vallelyAndWilsonFoxAppearances.html
           The two were never on on the same day.  Not only that but Wilson
           wasn't on at all until many months after this outing supposedly
           happened.  And when that last little tidbit came out the "analyst"
           changed his story to match the dates better.
        \_ This message brought to you by our good 'ol jblack
           \_ Does jblack belong to the Berkeley College Republicans?
        \_ http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-rebuttal
           \_ Wow, that link doesn't address Vallely's claim at all!  Thanks
              anonymous motd link poster! -emarkp
              \_ Vallely's claim was limp to begin with, even if true.
                 The outing occurred with Novak's column, which has a
                 significant (and partisan-activist) readership.
                 \_ Ah yes, the standard partisan response.  "Your claim is
                    false!  And even if it isn't, it doesn't matter."  Thanks
                    for playing. -emarkp
                    \_ Actually, I never said his claim was false.
                       \_ "even if true"
                          \_ != "Your claim is false!", which is a declaration
                             indicating certainty
        \_ Waitasec. A retired Major General says he heard Wilson talking
           openly about his wife being a CIA agent in the green room at
           Fox News? THAT's your evidence? Where are the multiple witnesses?
           \_ You aren't willing to take any statement by a Major General
              as the aboslute truth?  You've obviously never served.
              \_ I'm withholding judgement until I hear what BUD DAY thinks.
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Valerie Plame appeared in Vanity Fair magazine with her husband Joseph Wi lson in January 2004 A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controv ersy, Ambassador Joseph C Wilson, revealed his wife Valerie Plame's emp loyment with the agency in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was "outed" by the White House through a columnist. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's s tatus as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five , conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washin gton, DC, as they waited to appear on air as analysts. Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the US faced off with Iraq in the run-up to the spring 2003 invasion. Vallely says, according to his recollection, Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002 more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction." Vallely told WND that, in his opinion, it became clear over the course of several conversations that Wilson had his own agenda, as the ambassador 's analysis of the war and its surrounding politics strayed from reality . "I don't know if it was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he's created so much tur moil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath." came one week ago when Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was charged with one count of obstru ction of justice, two counts of making false statements and two counts o f perjury in the case. Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversation s with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail p arties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife. "She's been out there on the Washington scene many years." If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, "he would not hav e paraded her around as he did." "This whole thing has become the biggest non-story I know," he concluded, "and all created by Joe Wilson." Fitzgerald has been investigating whether Plame's identity was leaked by the White House as retaliation against Wilson for his assertion that the Bush administration made false claims about Iraq's attempt to buy nucle ar material in Africa. Wilson traveled to Niger in February 2002 on a CIA-sponsored trip to chec k out the allegations about Iraq and wrote up his findings in a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece titled "What I Didn't Find in Africa. " White House defenders insist the aides simply were setting the record str aight about Wilson, seeking to put his credibility in context by pointin g out it was Plame who helped him get the CIA consulting job. Wilson den ied his wife's role initially, but a bipartisan report by the Senate pan el documented it. Wilson declared in the column that his trip revealed the Iraq-Niger conne ction was dubious, but his oral report to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence actually corroborated the controversial "16 words" in Pres ident Bush's 2003 State of the Union address: "The British government ha s learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." Libby's charges pertained only to the investigation itself, not the 1982 act that made it illegal to blow a covert US agent's cover. told WND earlier this year that Plame's circumstances don't meet the statute 's criteria. Victoria Toensing who worked on the legislation in her role as chief co unsel for the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said Plame most likely was not a covert agent when White House aides men tioned her to reporters. The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United Sta tes within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a cove rt agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Tim es columnist Nicholas Kristof. Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turnco at spy Aldrich Ames. Wilson's own book, "The Politics of Truth," states he and Plame both retu rned from overseas assignments in June 1997 and never again were station ed overseas placing them in Washington at least six years before the 2 003 "outing." Moreover, asserted Toensing, for the law to be violated, White House aide s would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowl edge that they were disclosing a covert agent.
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Radical Right Right-Wing Myths About The Leak Investigation Patrick Fitzgerald hasnt even concluded his investigation, but the right -wing is already spinning the truth in anticipation of indictments. This document provides the facts to set the record straight. FACT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DELEGATION TO FITZGERALD DIDNT MENTION THE IIDA: By the authority vested in the Attorney General by law, includin g 28 USC 509, 510, and 515, and in my capacity as Acting Attorney Gen eral pursuant to 28 USC 508, I hereby delegate to you all the authori ty of the Attorney General with respect to the Departments investigatio n into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employees identity, and I direct you to exercise that authority as Special Counsel independ ent of the supervision or control of any officer of the Department. Fitzgerald may be looking at other laws barring the disclosure of classified info or the possibility that current or former White House aides made false statements or obstructed justice. FACT BUSH SAID FITZGERALD WAS CONDUCTING A VERY DIGNIFIED INVESTIGATIO N: The special prosecutor is conducting a very serious investigation - hes doing it in a very dignified way. Video ***** CLAIM VALERIE WILSON WASNT AN UNDERCOVER AGENT: Now, look, Fitzgerald has had two years, two years to answer a simple question, and that is, was the law violated by someone having willfully exposed a CI an under cover CIA agent? The, Valerie Plame wasn t even an undercover agent at the time. FACT CIA SAYS WILSON WAS UNDERCOVER: But within the CIA, the exposu re of Ms Plame is now considered an even greater instance of treachery. Ms Plame, a specialist in nonconventional weapons who worked overseas, had nonofficial cover, and was what in CIA parlance is called a No c, the most difficult kind of false identity for the agency to create. FACT BUSH SAID THE LEAK WAS A CRIME: And, you know, theres a lot of le aking in Washington, DC Its a town famous for it. And if this helps s top leaks of this investigation in finding the truth, it will not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked and this is a seri ous charge, by the way. Were talking about a criminal action, but also hopefully will help set a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop, as well. US Code FACT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS A FELONY: Whoever willfully endeavors b y means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of i nformation relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator shall be fined under th is title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. met with Niger president in February 2002 to check the security of the countrys uranium. Fulford reported that he was con vinced it was not an issue, and passed his findings to Gen. FACT WILSON NEVER SAID CHENEY PERSONALLY SENT HIM TO NIGER: Bloomberg r eported, Wilson never said that Cheney sent him, only that the vice pre sidents office had questions about an intelligence report that referred to the sale of uranium yellowcake to Iraq from Niger. Wilson, in his Ne w York Times article, said CIA officials were informed of Cheneys quest ions. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check ou t the story so they could provide a response to the vice presidents off ice, Wilson wrote. FACT WILSONS CLAIMS HAVE HELD UP IN THE FACE OF FIRE: Bloomberg recent ly reported, Two-year old assertions by former ambassador Joseph Wilson regarding Iraq and uranium, which lie at the heart of the controversy o ver who at the White House identified a covert US operative, have held up in the face of attacks by supporters of presidential adviser Karl Ro ve.