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2005/11/1-4 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:40391 Activity:low
11/1    WHAT?! Could this possibly be true? " Sarkozy says that violence
        in French suburbs is a daily fact of life. Since the start of the
        year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to
        40 cars are torched"
        http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/31/news/france.php
        \_ French cops won't go into a lot of suburban areas--I've not seen
           anything equivalent in the US to the massive areas of highrises
           you get in Italy, France, Spain and Germany--the crime is mad, and
           there's usually fairly volatile mixtures of African/N. African/
           E. European immigrants and very poor natives.  -John
           \_ How does a place get so bad even the cops won't go there?
              That's maddness.
              \_ They allow way too many poor immigrants in and provide free
                 housing for them in concentration. Why they do this is
                 unknown.
                 \_ cheap labor
                 \_ No, they just end up there because the housing is
                    inexpensive and many of the ethnic communities are the
                    natural place for new, poor immigrants to gravitate to.
                    Look at the the historical concentration of Russian,
                    Irish, Swedish, Mexican, Chinese, Puerto Rican, Irish,
                    Italian, &c arrivals to the US in the 19th century.  -John
                    \_ You making some kind of point about the Irish?  -mice
                       \_ Yeah, you wanna step outside for GUN DUEL, yer
                          corkie barstird?  -John
                          \_ Don't make me BLACKLIST you, ya limey barstard.
                                                                        -mice
                             \_ Sigh. We need more controversial words.
                                \_ I bet you never used controversial words.
                                   \_ I bet BUD DAY doesn't appreciate your
                                      tone, son.
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www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/31/news/france.php
CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France Three men were sentenced to prison on Monday after police officers clashed with youths in a Paris suburb for a fourt h straight night and residents accused the police of throwing a tear-gas grenade at a mosque. In all, 27 people have been arrested since the violence started Thursday night. Two 25-year-old men and another aged 27, detained Friday during the worst of the rioting in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, received eight-month sentences, including two months' firm imprisonment for thro wing projectiles at police officers. Five other adults were due to appear before a judge north of Paris, and t hree teenagers were to appear before a children's court judge. In rioting Sunday night in Clichy-sous-Bois, 8 cars and 16 rubbish bins w ere set afire. Dozens of other vehicles were incinerated in the precedin g rampages. There were no reports of civilian casualties on Sunday, but six police of ficers were slightly wounded. The unrest was triggered when two teenagers, aged 15 and 17, died by elec trocution Thursday after they scaled the wall of an electrical relay sta tion and touched a transformer. A friend who was with them said the boys thought they were being chased by the police, but the authorities have denied that was the case. The clashes have pitted youths - at times several hundred of them - again st police officers, leaving a total of 23 officers wounded. Clichy-sous-Bois has a substantial immigrant population, a large share of public housing and a history of social problems. The landing of a police tear-gas grenade in the local mosque - close by w hich "100 to 150 youths were looking for a fight," according to a depart mental security spokesman, Jean-Luc Sidot - threatened to worsen the run ning conflict. Muslims inside the building accused the police of firing the grenade. Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life. Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last wee k with the newspaper Le Monde.